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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so let's just

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maybe summarize briefly something that

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we talked about last weekend after the

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para cast Chris and that is the secret

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location of Marley woods this is a place

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in Missouri that has been the subject

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for lots of paranormal events it's been

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shall we say kept a secret by a key

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investigator Ted Phillips but now the

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location which has been done by

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researchers for a while was out there

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can you tell our friends who are looking

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at Google Maps or Apple maps or

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something where precisely it is well it

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generally it's in south-central Missouri

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the the actual location is in Oregon

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County so if you're looking at a map of

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the state it would be just north of the

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town of Thayer and south of state

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highway 160 it'll be directly east of

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West Plains Missouri basically you're on

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just on the western kind of south

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western side of the Ozarks it's a very

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beautiful area there I've been through

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there a couple of times in that area you

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know it's mostly farm farmland and

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rolling hills and it's it's very

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beautiful there actually there's Grand

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Gulf State Park as just to the south

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west of it and just that's just north

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and west of there there would be the

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nearest town

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so as the crow flies its I don't know it

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looks like it's about 20 20 miles maybe

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15 miles from there that's the location

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now as I mentioned you know in our prior

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conversation I have known the location

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of this spot and I've really scoped it

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out quite extensively on Google Earth I

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do have a a file somewhere one of my old

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hard drives external hard drives that

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has a Google map image of it I actually

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was able to delineate out I think

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property lines as well you know I'm just

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I'm just hoping that Ted's okay he's not

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answered phone calls from myself and a

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number of other researchers you know as

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I said prior he's been having some

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health issues on and off over the years

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he's getting on there yeah I think he's

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you know he's probably around 70 now you

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know he has had some some issues but

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let's hope that the case is still being

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monitored properly I think you know some

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people of course were a little concerned

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as we've seen on our forums that it may

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turn into another skinwalker ranch an

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area where people will be camping out

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and scaring the phenomena away you know

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anything's possible but in this case

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there are no armed guards there's no you

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know billionaire with security forces

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and that could be problematic for the

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people who live in the area including

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the primary witnesses contending with

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trespassers and people you know the

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curious attempting to mistake the place

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out and see something so we're really

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gonna have to hope for the best with

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this and and you know it's just it's one

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of those things you know I guess the

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folks in Missouri just got fed up with

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being held held at arm's length

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and not not being allowed to be involved

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and this is what happens when you try to

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hoard a case for as long as this case

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has been held back so best of luck to

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Ted but the only kind of brought it on

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himself so it's not much that we can do

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about it as a corollary your friend ray

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Stanford has been holding a lot of

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information to himself but in his case

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it's not stuff that is available to a

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lot of people except those he chooses to

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submit it to well yes yes and no I mean

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again he's planning on allowing this

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information to be to be made public he's

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working on a book he's also working on

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an updated version of the Socorro book

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which he released back in the mid-70s

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there's been a bit of new information

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based on his trip with James Fox to the

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National Archives finding the the letter

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that proves that the the symbol for many

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years that was thought to have been seen

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on the craft was purposefully you know

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change

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and and Zamora signed off on it to keep

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it secret so that if the correct symbol

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ever showed up they would know that it

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was a real sighting you know this is

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something that you know has kind of been

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a bone of contention with some

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investigators over the years I guess you

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know now that you know the real symbol

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has been has been produced by Stanford

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but accusations of him lying about it

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and in making all this up have been have

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been totally rendered moot because he's

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you know he's found the incriminating

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document that shows that Richard T

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holder did have Lonnie Zamora birth at

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original symbol I just wonder though how

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many sightings this happens with where

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one piece of key information is withheld

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as fact-checkers we know this apparently

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happens with some abductions where some

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aspect of the abduction it's common to a

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number of them but we don't hear what

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that is yeah it's it's a you know I

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think it happens I personally over the

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years that I've been out in the field I

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have not done that I do have some you

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know red flags that I look for and don't

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tell anybody about them but I have never

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purposely myself withheld any any sort

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of information for fear of it being used

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as as some sort of fuel for for hoaxes

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or people that want to cause a stir

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within the field I I can't really I

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can't really answer that from place of

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authority this is the only case that I'm

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aware of where the witness was actually

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asked to sign a false statement in other

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words the drawing that Lonnie was asked

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to make of the false symbol he signed at

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the behest of of arm of Army officer

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Richard holder and that's the only case

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of that sort that I've ever heard of you

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know the moor was a you know he was

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pretty freaked out by the sighting and I

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think he he you know as being a

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patriotic American when the government

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asked him to do something he did it and

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you know Hynek and Stanford went along

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with this thinking that this was a good

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you know thinking that if there were any

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more legitimate sightings and people

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described the the actual real symbol

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that they would instantly be alerted

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this was a real event in the meantime

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ray has been doing some work on what

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that real symbol which was they in an

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upside-down V with three straight lines

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going across it he's been trying to

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figure out why that symbol was there and

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what it might mean and and he's actually

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getting set to release a an analysis of

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the symbol and in Ben Moss who was a

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Maryland MUFON member who's been seen

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lately on this hangar one show he's one

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of the one of the few voices of sanity

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out there on in that particular

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production in my estimation but they've

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come up with a pretty interesting

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analysis of what that symbol could have

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meant and it looks like it was some sort

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of warning symbol to warn anyone nearby

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when this thing was taken hot to stand

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clear

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that's one that's one possible

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explanation so you know they've been

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working on on coming up with some sort

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of written analysis to be released I

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look forward to seeing it and we'll have

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to get right back on the show when he's

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ready with this and see what he has to

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say we're going to bring back a guest

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who hasn't been with us for a number of

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months and he's one of our favorite he's

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the one and only because there can be no

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substitutes Nick Redfern now this is one

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thick book with the index it has 438

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pages okay it's called a secret history

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and there's a subtitle conspiracies from

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ancient aliens to the New World Order

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each topic gets its own chapter it's a

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really great read really fascinating

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book and it's one of those books that

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you read the chapter get on with your

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business a little bit later you pick up

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purrs and within a night or a day in the

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Redfern with gene and Chris coming

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you're in the berry cast you're fired

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according to the Small Business

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small businesses plan to eliminate jobs

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or reduce workers hours to part-time

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your fire according to Gallup the

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unemployment rate recently jumped to

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nearly nine percent and the

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underemployment rate hit a staggering

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seventeen point nine percent you're

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fired

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one out of three young adults and one

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out of two recent college graduates are

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underemployed hello I'm Keith Abel a

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pharmacist and a home business

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entrepreneur in 2011 I became one of

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those statistics myself instead of

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looking for another job in corporate

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America I joined dr. Joel wallet the

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dead doctors don't lag I we're creating

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steady incomes for ourselves and would

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like to show you how to do the same if

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you want to supplement your current

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income replace your income so you don't

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have to become one of the statistics

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then give me a call toll free at eight

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six six two five seven three one zero

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five eight six six two five seven three

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one zero five you're fired

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don't wait til you hear those words

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start creating an extra income today

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eight six six two five seven three one

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zero five honey it's time for dinner

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what are you doing over there on your

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computer I'm shopping for a new wallet

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mine is falling apart hey did you know

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there's a company called ID stronghold

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that makes shielded wallets to prevent

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electronic pickpocketing I didn't

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realize there was such a thing as

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electronic pickpocketing what is that

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well apparently many of the new credit

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and debit cards being issued have radio

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chips inside them called RFID the

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transmitter banking information to card

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readers when we pay unfortunately a bad

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guy can also get one of these

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readers and go around the city scanning

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people collecting their credit card

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numbers and personal information without

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us knowing it wow that sounds scary

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since you're getting a new wallet anyway

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you should definitely get an ID

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stronghold shielded wallet are they more

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expensive no in fact I can get a

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shielded leather wallet from ID

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stronghold calm for the same price or

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less than regular unshielded wallets

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from other stores sounds great

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my wallet isn't falling apart yet let me

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for me on Saturday and I had fifty

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of things and he has one new book out

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now and there's another one coming in a

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few months which we'll deal with later

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but the current book and it's a thick

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one here it's like four hundred pages

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and I have it in my hand here and if you

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had carpal tunnel syndrome you can have

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a problem with the index is four hundred

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thirty eight pages secret history

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conspiracies from ancient aliens to the

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new world order that covers a whole

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bunch of ground from ancient astronauts

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to the Kennedy assassination to Roswell

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to all sorts of interesting stuff to

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Walt Disney and the CIA a secret

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connection believe it or not but Nick

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before we get to conspiracies there is

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that subject on the table and I know you

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said to me you didn't want to talk about

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the bloody Roswell slides let's just

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call it slide gate would you like to say

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a few words before we get on to other

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stuff no reason why you know I wasn't I

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didn't really want to talk about it was

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because I didn't think there was

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anything really new to say and I kind of

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feel that continually promoting it or

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talking about it actually adds to the

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promotion which i think is the wrong way

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to go about it so it's kind of like a

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catch-22 you know I want to lay the

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matter to rest but equally the more

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pour out the more responses you get from

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the other side and it just continues and

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adds one side adds weight to the

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scenario because it clearly doesn't but

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what it does it keeps it in the public

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domain in the public eye when we should

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be put it down you know kill it off and

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then move on and so it's sort of a you

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know an issue as to how why we do that

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such as why my initial approach when you

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you first ask me but then I sort of

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rethought about it and thought well you

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know why not just try and finally put

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the last nail in the coffin some people

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I think that sort of been overly

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optimistic you know this is ufology

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after all yeah I mean I think the entire

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Roswell slide issues ligate whatever you

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want to call it is sort of the biggest

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black mark on ufology since the alien

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autopsy filled and I think ufology

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ufology hasn't learned a lesson in the

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sense things like this will keep

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happening it's inevitable I think the

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only saving grace is the regardless what

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some people said you know we have

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basically answered it you know with the

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deciphering of the lettering etc but you

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know the will to Lavelle fox mulder

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thing of wanting to believe for a lot of

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people it's it's hard to get rid of that

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and and to me that's pretty pathetic

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really you know sorry I couldn't help

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but chuckling uh we had Alejandro Rojas

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on last week and and he basically said

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the same thing it's it's just it's

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tawdry and it's a shame that Schmidt and

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Kerry were either inadvertently or by

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design taken in by this whole thing and

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it's just you're right Nick I think it

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just it did just it just is one more

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piece of ammunition for the skeptics and

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the naysayers to just attack the field

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and and and it also does I think it

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lessens the importance of the Roswell

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case because so much is being glommed

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onto it and people are trying to make

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money off this this cultural meme so it

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weakens I think the validity of the case

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to a certain degree in people's minds

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who aren't really that knowledgeable

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about the case I think people who

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who might want to get interested in this

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whole field it's just one more thing to

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to keep them at arm's length and push

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them away you're actually right on that

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score because the big irony is you know

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I really do believe something genuinely

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weird happened at Roswell in 47 I know

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in my mind there's no doubt about that

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but you're right the problem is that

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when something like this is inserted

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into the story then the whole story

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falls apart you know it's like the boy

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who cried wolf that's you know the story

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cries one too many times and nobody

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listens well that's what's gonna happen

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eventually

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but more and more hoaxes and

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disinformation whatever is added to

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Roswell eventually something genuinely

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good might come through or it could come

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through I'm painting just gonna say now

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you know we're done with it this keeps

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happening time and time again I know it

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straight I don't view as some have said

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but you know this was some sort of

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psychological warfare operation and to

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discredit Roswell it wasn't what I find

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most sort of angering from my

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perspective a word angering another most

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angering thing from my perspective is

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you know when the we had the unveiling

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of the slide in Mexico on May 5 well in

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life 72 hours maybe less the placard had

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been deciphered you know the body of a

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mummified child boy whatever it said and

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yet the team had access to this you know

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these images for a couple years before

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that how is it that this issue of the

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placard couldn't have been rectified two

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to three years ago it easily could have

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been because it was cleared up a couple

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days later so why couldn't it have been

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cleared up in the three years previous

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so we wouldn't have even had to bother

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with a Mexico event it could have just

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been laid to rest and even possibly

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never mentioned or even brought up

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because it could have just been closed

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down in-house and okay I mentioned it

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will just move on to the next thing

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there's one word to kind of answer that

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question there can that is money well

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the problem is you know I mean I've

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heard this be I'm kind of viewing it

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more as incompetence and

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the reason why I say that because if the

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slides it was that money then inevitably

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the slides would have been released with

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people gonna you know if the only way to

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get money would be to sell the slides or

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show them but to do that it's all gonna

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fall apart because the placard again

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would be would be shown and somebody

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would decipher it so you know that's why

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I don't think it actually was a all

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about money because I don't see how

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money could have been earned as I said

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without unveiling the placard and when a

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placard gets unveiled it's shown not to

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be the real thing

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so you know that's that's sort of my

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thinking now I liked and know the full

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story as to who exactly was personally

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companies but who personally tried to

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decipher the placard and got nowhere I'd

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like to see like a trail of paperwork

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that shows all that so we can understand

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and figure out why no one could figure

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out what it said and yet days later

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everybody could you know that if the

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people want to demonstrate you know that

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they want to put things right and you

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know smooth things over well show us all

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that so we can understand how mistakes

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are made why mistakes were made and what

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exactly happened and maybe we can learn

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a few things from this beyond the ones

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that we've already learned that you know

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ufology is just it's like a chamber of

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horrors you know oh that's good I like

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that the chamber of horrors in fact we

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can write a book ufology the chamber of

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horrors or do a documentary film but

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somebody could actually write a book

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about the Roswell slide not from the

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perspective of you know that what the

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slides are and what they might be but

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sort of like a like a circus of Horrors

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study of ufology I have an idea Nick the

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attack of the killer roswell slides

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doesn't make it well

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Roscoe slides okay gene and Chris and

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00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:07,740
spending is out of hand and the Federal

544
00:24:11,539 --> 00:24:09,809
Reserve is creating in excess of 20

545
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:11,549
billion a week are you tired of

546
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:13,049
stockbrokers gambling away your

547
00:24:18,019 --> 00:24:15,090
hard-earned money is this market a setup

548
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:18,029
for a crash greater than 1987 too many

549
00:24:23,779 --> 00:24:19,890
of today's policies resemble those that

550
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:23,789
led to the collapse of 1929 this is John

551
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,490
Hamner and that was me in 2007 and we

552
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:28,080
all know what happened when the subprime

553
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:30,450
credit bubble burst by March 2009 the

554
00:24:34,909 --> 00:24:32,730
dollar lost 50% of its value the entire

555
00:24:36,980 --> 00:24:34,919
US banking system was on the verge of

556
00:24:38,779 --> 00:24:36,990
collapsing like all financial problems

557
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:38,789
of the past its history about to repeat

558
00:25:14,269 --> 00:24:39,299
itself

559
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:14,279
call me John Hamner at 1-866-376-8255 i

560
00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:16,169
account on Monday morning how about the

561
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:18,539
terms incredibly easy it doesn't mess

562
00:25:22,940 --> 00:25:20,490
with your cash flow on deck changed

563
00:25:24,649 --> 00:25:22,950
everything this company is gonna be

564
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:24,659
there for me was it a good move I'm

565
00:25:29,149 --> 00:25:27,210
looking to increase sales probably 30%

566
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:29,159
been in business for at least a year

567
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:32,100
with 100,000 plus in revenue on deck can

568
00:25:38,269 --> 00:25:35,370
get you 5,000 to $250,000 in as little

569
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:38,279
as one business day and they're a+ rated

570
00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:40,200
with the Better Business Bureau on deck

571
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:42,390
has opened up so many doors for me now

572
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:44,220
it's really truly the sky is the limit

573
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:48,210
I'm excited apply now at on deck lending

574
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:55,320
dot-com or call 832 654 3832 654 3,800

575
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:58,500
three to 650 for 30 long subject Allegra

576
00:26:01,850 --> 00:26:00,179
proved all honey it's time for dinner

577
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:01,860
what are you doing over there on your

578
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:04,110
computer I'm shopping for a new wallet

579
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:06,840
mine is falling apart hey did you know

580
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:08,970
there's a company called ID stronghold

581
00:26:11,910 --> 00:26:10,620
that makes yielded wallets to prevent

582
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:11,920
electronic pickpocketing

583
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:13,450
I didn't realize there was such a thing

584
00:26:17,790 --> 00:26:16,000
as electronic pickpocketing what is that

585
00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:17,800
well apparently many of the new credit

586
00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:19,780
and debit cards being issued have radio

587
00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:22,390
chips inside them called RFID the

588
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:24,280
transmitter banking information to card

589
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:26,710
readers when we pay unfortunately a bad

590
00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:28,450
guy can also get one of these readers

591
00:26:31,890 --> 00:26:30,280
and go around the city scanning people

592
00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:31,900
collecting their credit card numbers and

593
00:26:36,690 --> 00:26:33,790
personal information without us knowing

594
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,700
it wow that sounds scary since you're

595
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:38,320
getting a new wallet anyway you should

596
00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:40,330
definitely get an ID stronghold shielded

597
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:42,550
wallet are they more expensive no in

598
00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:44,530
fact I can get a shielded leather wallet

599
00:26:48,570 --> 00:26:46,630
from ID stronghold com for the same

600
00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:48,580
price or less than regular unshielded

601
00:26:53,130 --> 00:26:50,920
wallets from other stores sounds great

602
00:26:54,540 --> 00:26:53,140
my wallet isn't falling apart yet but

603
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,550
let me pick one out to I want to be

604
00:27:06,960 --> 00:26:56,080
protected and these wallets at ID

605
00:27:10,370 --> 00:27:06,970
stronghold calm look fantastic this is

606
00:27:24,139 --> 00:27:10,380
actually a you listening to the podcast

607
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:26,759
Nick Redfern is one of the best people

608
00:27:31,289 --> 00:27:29,049
doing the parrot s so we keep asking him

609
00:27:34,620 --> 00:27:31,299
we do not invite Nick Redfern on this

610
00:27:35,399 --> 00:27:34,630
show just to talk about how well he does

611
00:27:37,259 --> 00:27:35,409
our stinger

612
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:37,269
he's we've been talking a little bit

613
00:27:42,419 --> 00:27:39,610
about slide gate Roswell slides what

614
00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:42,429
happened being a black mark on ufology

615
00:27:47,490 --> 00:27:45,460
chris was mentioning the other day that

616
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:47,500
he lives about a mile from where this

617
00:27:51,659 --> 00:27:50,110
thing was actually exhibited anything

618
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:51,669
new on that before we just leave the

619
00:27:57,919 --> 00:27:55,570
subject to fire he's what's in the

620
00:28:00,330 --> 00:27:57,929
public domain I mean I wrote an article

621
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:00,340
right after the made the first thing

622
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,250
where I talked about one particular

623
00:28:07,710 --> 00:28:04,960
Museum in New Mexico called the million

624
00:28:11,610 --> 00:28:07,720
dollar Museum in White City New Mexico

625
00:28:13,710 --> 00:28:11,620
only less than 200 miles somewhere the

626
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:13,720
race lived Bernard and Hilda Wray lived

627
00:28:17,369 --> 00:28:15,730
you know it actually has a dead alien

628
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:17,379
story attached to it

629
00:28:22,019 --> 00:28:19,690
it's right near the Carlsbad or it was

630
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:22,029
the caws bird caves which I'm sure

631
00:28:27,090 --> 00:28:25,210
Bernard gray as a geologist would have

632
00:28:29,879 --> 00:28:27,100
visited there you know no distance so

633
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:29,889
that led me to believe that possibly the

634
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:31,690
the pictures were taken there because

635
00:28:36,659 --> 00:28:34,169
they had numerous mummies they even had

636
00:28:38,879 --> 00:28:36,669
heads on display and if you look up that

637
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:38,889
high-res picture there's like a wolf's

638
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:40,750
head or something behind the body of the

639
00:28:44,009 --> 00:28:42,490
mummified child you know he's seen it's

640
00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:44,019
clear like a muzzle and the head and

641
00:28:49,049 --> 00:28:46,360
everything else so that led me to

642
00:28:50,879 --> 00:28:49,059
believe that you know the the White City

643
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:50,889
million-dollar museum could have been

644
00:28:55,409 --> 00:28:52,960
the place now this found he wasn't but I

645
00:28:57,419 --> 00:28:55,419
think he was a viable possibility but

646
00:28:58,860 --> 00:28:57,429
now I say that the million dollar museum

647
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,870
has been brought up again into the

648
00:29:02,970 --> 00:29:00,960
controversy so this is what I mean about

649
00:29:06,269 --> 00:29:02,980
continuing to talk about it you know I

650
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:06,279
did I identify one museum with a dead

651
00:29:10,409 --> 00:29:08,049
alien story attached to it which could

652
00:29:13,619 --> 00:29:10,419
have been the place it wasn't but then

653
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:13,629
because I highlight this people pick up

654
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:16,450
on it and that becomes against the

655
00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:18,250
equation now in another fashion you know

656
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:20,500
this whole thing with Linda Howe

657
00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:23,529
you know coming up with another scenario

658
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:27,340
that it is an alien after all so this is

659
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:28,750
what I mean about the more you speak

660
00:29:32,220 --> 00:29:31,210
about it it doesn't like things to rest

661
00:29:34,919 --> 00:29:32,230
you adds another

662
00:29:38,130 --> 00:29:34,929
tear another layer to its no just its

663
00:29:41,490 --> 00:29:38,140
endless but I mean there are some issues

664
00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:41,500
about it that still interest me for

665
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:43,480
personal reasons like for example the

666
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:46,570
alleged computer hacking thing you know

667
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:48,910
would you explain to our listeners what

668
00:29:54,690 --> 00:29:50,890
that is all about because we haven't

669
00:29:57,330 --> 00:29:54,700
covered it very much sort of difficult

670
00:29:59,760 --> 00:29:57,340
to exploit understand but I'll do my

671
00:30:04,130 --> 00:29:59,770
best so you'll you'll get what you'll

672
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:04,140
get is basically what I know to be sure

673
00:30:09,810 --> 00:30:08,290
what happened was that not sort of close

674
00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:09,820
to about a year ago now I think it was

675
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:13,720
July or August of last year Tony Gregg

676
00:30:18,090 --> 00:30:16,000
alia it was not exactly part of the

677
00:30:19,890 --> 00:30:18,100
dream team but it was sort of working

678
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:19,900
you know with them and alongside them

679
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:21,730
and doing his own stuff as well into the

680
00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:24,880
slides said that he'd been essentially

681
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:26,830
hacked what happened was that he

682
00:30:33,419 --> 00:30:30,059
received an initial email from a guy you

683
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:33,429
used the alias of a glass darkly that

684
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,650
was a name he used and it is safe mail

685
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:37,600
accounts which anybody who knows very

686
00:30:43,260 --> 00:30:39,730
email you know safe mail which operates

687
00:30:45,299 --> 00:30:43,270
out of Israel is very good way to sort

688
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:45,309
of protect your identity and you know

689
00:30:51,659 --> 00:30:47,770
use absurd in him and you protect

690
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:51,669
yourself etc etc now what Tony said that

691
00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:53,530
happened but what he was told by his

692
00:31:01,049 --> 00:30:57,700
sort of IT people was that the process

693
00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:01,059
of him opening the email allowed this a

694
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:03,990
glass darkly person to get into his

695
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:06,880
accounts and Orden possibly mean to his

696
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,730
entire whatever it was he got you know

697
00:31:12,210 --> 00:31:11,919
no the tablet laptop whatever I don't

698
00:31:15,930 --> 00:31:12,220
know

699
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:15,940
and from there at the time I was

700
00:31:22,770 --> 00:31:19,330
corresponding with Tony and with rich

701
00:31:24,299 --> 00:31:22,780
Reynolds of UFO conjectures and what

702
00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:24,309
happened was that there this person a

703
00:31:31,409 --> 00:31:27,820
glass darkly began sending me and rich

704
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:31,419
emails and some of them were just random

705
00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:33,820
emails that he sends he actually sent me

706
00:31:37,890 --> 00:31:35,740
a weird poem once about full screen

707
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:37,900
sources which was very sort of a strange

708
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:41,350
thing to do but what would sometimes

709
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:44,140
happen and this is why mean rich

710
00:31:47,850 --> 00:31:45,730
suspected

711
00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:47,860
we may have been sort of subjected to

712
00:31:51,419 --> 00:31:49,750
some sort of I don't you call it hacking

713
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:51,429
or what you would call it but what

714
00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:53,769
happened was that may enrich would send

715
00:31:59,250 --> 00:31:56,620
emails between to each other back and

716
00:32:01,649 --> 00:31:59,260
forth about the rustle slides it would

717
00:32:03,539 --> 00:32:01,659
just be like sent by me which would

718
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:03,549
receive it and he would hit reply so

719
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:05,860
it's like that no there were no BCC's no

720
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:08,799
cc's nothing like that and but then

721
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:11,080
randomly throughout the day we would get

722
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:14,130
emails from this person a glass darkly

723
00:32:20,909 --> 00:32:17,440
sometimes actually responding to the

724
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:20,919
emails we sent other times just sending

725
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,529
his own emails but clear in both cases

726
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:25,360
talking about the things that me and

727
00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:28,450
rich had privately discussed so that led

728
00:32:31,889 --> 00:32:30,580
us to believe that this person was you

729
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:31,899
know watching our accounts or something

730
00:32:39,930 --> 00:32:36,399
now no damage was done to anyone systems

731
00:32:42,419 --> 00:32:39,940
at all as far as I know certainly rich

732
00:32:45,210 --> 00:32:42,429
didn't have any damage - and Tony did to

733
00:32:47,250 --> 00:32:45,220
say and went on record as stating the

734
00:32:49,620 --> 00:32:47,260
money was taken from one of these

735
00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:49,630
accounts in like a skimming operation

736
00:32:54,269 --> 00:32:51,880
where you know people criminals take

737
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,279
small amounts from multiple accounts and

738
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:56,080
when you you know you check your monthly

739
00:32:59,549 --> 00:32:58,210
statement you might not miss 30 dollars

740
00:33:02,460 --> 00:32:59,559
here or there and somebody else might

741
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:02,470
not miss 25 but you did that huge amount

742
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:04,570
of time you know and you're raping you

743
00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:06,610
know massive amount of money Tony went

744
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:08,230
on the record of stating that happened

745
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:10,330
so you know I don't believe this had

746
00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:13,450
anything to do with like me NSA or the

747
00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:14,769
government or anything like that because

748
00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:17,380
number one they wouldn't want would need

749
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,279
to open a safe mail account to access my

750
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:23,200
email or Tony's all riches for God's

751
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:24,730
sake you know they could just penetrate

752
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:25,929
your system they don't need to go

753
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:29,519
through safe mail and Tony actually

754
00:33:34,379 --> 00:33:32,710
contacted safe mail in Israel and had

755
00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:34,389
them close the account down when he was

756
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:35,860
explained to them what was going on and

757
00:33:39,570 --> 00:33:37,929
they actually did that you know so

758
00:33:43,049 --> 00:33:39,580
that's another point in it and I don't

759
00:33:45,629 --> 00:33:43,059
see any agency wanting to tip anybody

760
00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:45,639
off or send them on an investigation by

761
00:33:50,669 --> 00:33:47,230
skimming money out of somebody's

762
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:50,679
accounts you know so my personal view is

763
00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:54,250
that it was probably done by someone in

764
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,129
the UFO research community an idiot

765
00:34:02,820 --> 00:33:58,960
across the line

766
00:34:06,210 --> 00:34:02,830
and assumed wrongly that me rich and

767
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,220
Tony had the images on a respective

768
00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:08,320
machines you know laptops or whatever

769
00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:11,800
the irony was none of us did you know at

770
00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:14,260
that time we were still I'm not sure if

771
00:34:18,060 --> 00:34:16,750
the very low res image was in the public

772
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:18,070
domain it might have been I can't

773
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:20,050
remember now but you know I certainly

774
00:34:24,990 --> 00:34:22,570
didn't have anything saved on my laptop

775
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:25,000
at all you know if I had seen the image

776
00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:26,170
at that time it would have been just

777
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:28,750
Rich's blog or somewhere like that but

778
00:34:32,850 --> 00:34:30,550
can't remember exactly when that image

779
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:32,860
surfaced so I think it was somebody in

780
00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:35,710
ufology fishing around hoping to be the

781
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:38,230
first with the most by finding the

782
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:41,650
images on our systems and then found out

783
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:43,510
that well they really don't have them at

784
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:45,610
all you know and then they just went

785
00:34:50,870 --> 00:34:48,130
away now tony has also gone on the

786
00:34:53,730 --> 00:34:50,880
record stating any contact to the FBI

787
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:53,740
that as far as I know has not gone any

788
00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:55,570
further and they don't know why that is

789
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,880
and I haven't heard anything from Tony

790
00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:00,400
from a long time and so he's not being

791
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:02,980
active very much on the Internet

792
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,610
since the whole slides issue occurred so

793
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:08,800
you know there but he comes down to this

794
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:12,010
big issue of easy hacking or is it

795
00:35:15,690 --> 00:35:13,750
something else I'm not sure because you

796
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:15,700
know I'm not a hacker you know I'm not

797
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:17,800
an expert in hacking I don't know if

798
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,050
what the process is you know by opening

799
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,720
an email how it makes you vulnerable and

800
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:24,400
have any hooks into other people's

801
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:27,550
systems and is it hacking or did the guy

802
00:35:32,190 --> 00:35:29,710
just get an address book you know an

803
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:32,200
attorney and then contacted me enriched

804
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:33,730
through the address book well it's

805
00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:35,230
possible but I wouldn't explain how he

806
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:38,590
was able to so clearly discuss the

807
00:35:42,090 --> 00:35:40,450
things me and rich were talking about

808
00:35:45,870 --> 00:35:42,100
that does suggest at some point and

809
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:45,880
somehow he got access to our emails so

810
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:48,310
you know that that in itself is an

811
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:51,570
interest in an annoying and angering

812
00:35:58,530 --> 00:35:54,310
thing you know I mean Tony called the

813
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FBI I mean if he was left down to me you

814
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know the two of us would be locked

815
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inside a room and I'd be the one coming

816
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:05,110
out you know what I mean now I should

817
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:06,580
point out here without getting into

818
00:36:12,539 --> 00:36:09,490
extensive detail I suspect for a lot of

819
00:36:15,929 --> 00:36:12,549
people tacking their email accounts

820
00:36:18,929 --> 00:36:15,939
is not all that difficult because not

821
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:18,939
everybody uses a strong password if you

822
00:36:22,949 --> 00:36:21,130
know a person or about a person you can

823
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:22,959
probably guess it I'm not inviting

824
00:36:28,289 --> 00:36:24,609
anyone to do anything I'm just saying

825
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:28,299
that the skill set involved may not be

826
00:36:32,429 --> 00:36:30,130
that extensive if you really try hard

827
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:32,439
enough but let's start moving away from

828
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:34,630
that into other stuff in our next

829
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segment we have Nick Redfern we're going

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to talk about the secret history and the

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conspiracy theories and all that stuff

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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battle in outer space but the dreams

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[Music]

940
00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:15,180
so we've been talking about slide gate

941
00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:18,360
about the hacking now let me ask you a

942
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:21,240
question here Nick Redfern with this

943
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:23,130
hacking or possible hacking episode I

944
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:25,110
presume you changed your passwords and

945
00:41:30,590 --> 00:41:26,970
all that other stuff right oh well I do

946
00:41:32,570 --> 00:41:30,600
all that regularly you know and but I

947
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,580
mean you know and I have fully internet

948
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,520
you know protection obviously you know

949
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:38,640
multiple stuff and all sorts but I guess

950
00:41:43,580 --> 00:41:41,070
somebody is a skilled hacker can can

951
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:43,590
getting anything really but I do think

952
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:46,230
that that something was climbing

953
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:48,390
obviously something was going on now

954
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:49,770
when you talk about passwords and things

955
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:52,320
like that the story that Charlie was

956
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:54,660
given he wasn't like the guy hacked into

957
00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:57,090
his system and you know penetrated his

958
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:00,420
password he was told by the IT people I

959
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:02,490
think he was that he dealt with but it

960
00:42:08,180 --> 00:42:04,980
was the process of opening that person's

961
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:08,190
email that allowed them access now that

962
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:09,810
that's you know I understand if somebody

963
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:11,160
gets your password obviously you know

964
00:42:14,830 --> 00:42:12,450
everybody understands that but they can

965
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:14,840
get in your system but I'm not sure the

966
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,520
specifics of how you know if you sent

967
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:19,200
chain if you sent me an email and I

968
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:21,240
opened it how that would allow you

969
00:42:26,090 --> 00:42:24,480
access to my machine as a matter of fact

970
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:26,100
here's how it works it's not so much

971
00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:30,210
opening the email usually as clicking a

972
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:33,150
link in the email here's something Nick

973
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,490
I want you to see and you click on it

974
00:42:41,090 --> 00:42:38,400
and it doesn't happen so much with Mac's

975
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:41,100
as with Windows computers but there are

976
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:43,380
ways to do that or to fool you into

977
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:46,920
going to a website and they grab it it's

978
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:48,750
what they call social engineering so

979
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:51,240
it's possible the other thing that a lot

980
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:53,370
of people don't know but I mentioned

981
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:54,690
mission a couple of interviews and

982
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:56,370
there's a reason why I would have

983
00:43:01,790 --> 00:42:59,130
noticed it is there in a number of the

984
00:43:04,610 --> 00:43:01,800
emails sent by this person a glass

985
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:04,620
darkly to me rich and Tony he spelled

986
00:43:09,860 --> 00:43:07,440
words in English English you know like

987
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:09,870
like the word coloring over here Co L o

988
00:43:15,830 --> 00:43:13,170
are in the UK to see Oh L oh you are a

989
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,840
lot of you know a lot of English words

990
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:18,000
happy a happy you in you know its

991
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:19,800
flavour in colour and stuff like that

992
00:43:22,850 --> 00:43:21,420
now I can't remember if that was one of

993
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:22,860
specific words but there were certain

994
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:23,850
words for sure

995
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:24,450
the

996
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,790
spelled in an English fashion and used a

997
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:29,520
couple of English phrases now that

998
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,130
either meant one or two things either he

999
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:35,040
was English or he specifically knew I

1000
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,810
was English and thought he'd just play

1001
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:38,640
around a little bit maybe think he was

1002
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:41,640
English by spelling words in a way that

1003
00:43:45,770 --> 00:43:43,410
he would realize that I would instantly

1004
00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:45,780
notice it you see what I mean so it

1005
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:47,099
could have been like a bit of a mind

1006
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:49,650
game thing or it could have really been

1007
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,210
a bit of a tip after the fact that he

1008
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:53,880
was English and possibly in England I

1009
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:56,460
mean an English guy Ross Evans he was

1010
00:44:01,790 --> 00:44:00,000
hacked so maybe there's a tie-in there I

1011
00:44:04,339 --> 00:44:01,800
don't know so there's you know there are

1012
00:44:07,099 --> 00:44:04,349
a few intriguing ways in which we can

1013
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:07,109
learn a little bit more about this whole

1014
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:09,930
situation unnoticed that's been the the

1015
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:11,160
other day when I was sort of surfing

1016
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:13,770
around the forum there was like a

1017
00:44:19,339 --> 00:44:16,710
section on there where all to do we'd

1018
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,349
like the hacking set issues related to

1019
00:44:22,490 --> 00:44:21,119
the Roswell slides and a few things I

1020
00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:22,500
didn't know where you know people

1021
00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:24,839
bringing up different scenarios and

1022
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,030
whatever it will never end

1023
00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:30,240
why won't because you know I mean it's

1024
00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:32,430
like with the alien autopsy film some

1025
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:33,540
people are still talking about that

1026
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,730
today and you know believe it's a bit a

1027
00:44:41,059 --> 00:44:38,640
real thing I mean the irony is the only

1028
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:41,069
autopsy feel I'm 100% sure doesn't show

1029
00:44:44,569 --> 00:44:42,420
a dead alien it doesn't even show

1030
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:44,579
anything that ever lived but we I can

1031
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:45,690
assure you we don't have the full story

1032
00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:48,900
on the alien autopsy film you know that

1033
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:50,670
the full story the Ray Santilli told is

1034
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,569
not the full story I'm sure of that

1035
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:55,920
I'm not all laughing with a slide you

1036
00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:56,940
know what we'll never get to the bottom

1037
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,940
of it there we go we leave that subject

1038
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:01,800
now with Nick Redfern let's talk about

1039
00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:04,740
the book secret history conspiracies

1040
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:06,990
from ancient aliens of the new world

1041
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:10,020
order now before we get into some of the

1042
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:12,420
stories you have in the book I wanted to

1043
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:14,579
look at what was written by your PR

1044
00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:17,640
person history is written by the winners

1045
00:45:24,020 --> 00:45:21,900
and the powerful but how much of it is

1046
00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:24,030
fiction and that's something I always

1047
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:26,099
worry about with regard to history which

1048
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:29,460
is are we getting the real version of

1049
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:32,910
what's happened or just the sanitized

1050
00:45:37,579 --> 00:45:36,060
version well unfortunately you know

1051
00:45:40,109 --> 00:45:37,589
that's something

1052
00:45:42,479 --> 00:45:40,119
everybody so I guess Ponder's on a time

1053
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,489
from time to time and unfortunately as

1054
00:45:47,099 --> 00:45:44,319
time progresses you know it gets more

1055
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,109
and more difficult and we get more and

1056
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:50,079
more evidence if you like or suspicions

1057
00:45:56,819 --> 00:45:53,920
that as society progresses you know

1058
00:46:00,900 --> 00:45:56,829
we're just being lied to even more and

1059
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:00,910
more and I mean it just goes on and on

1060
00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:03,670
and I think we'll be quite surprised

1061
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:05,980
really if we were to sort of say you

1062
00:46:09,809 --> 00:46:08,529
know the full picture of of multiple

1063
00:46:12,329 --> 00:46:09,819
things that have happened in the past

1064
00:46:14,729 --> 00:46:12,339
and how if we had access to the full

1065
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:14,739
picture it sort of radically alter

1066
00:46:18,479 --> 00:46:16,660
things but yeah I mean that's sort of a

1067
00:46:21,749 --> 00:46:18,489
good phrase they came up with because

1068
00:46:25,289 --> 00:46:21,759
it's true you know whoever wins dictates

1069
00:46:27,180 --> 00:46:25,299
the details of a story essentially you

1070
00:46:30,029 --> 00:46:27,190
know the losers often get and get

1071
00:46:32,999 --> 00:46:30,039
forgotten and an established scenario

1072
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:33,009
becomes becomes accepted well even now

1073
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,410
we're still debating the actual history

1074
00:46:40,349 --> 00:46:38,079
of the Iraq war that's sort of you know

1075
00:46:43,529 --> 00:46:40,359
we're talking well just over a decade or

1076
00:46:45,059 --> 00:46:43,539
so you know and like things like the

1077
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:45,069
weapons of mass destruction I mean

1078
00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:46,390
that's just that's still an ongoing

1079
00:46:53,579 --> 00:46:49,900
debate really and you know the whole

1080
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:53,589
issue of Saddam Hussein and his ability

1081
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:56,890
to do this or to do that and then of

1082
00:47:03,390 --> 00:46:58,650
course it spills over into like

1083
00:47:05,249 --> 00:47:03,400
Afghanistan and bin Laden's body and you

1084
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:05,259
know people just have a lot of a lot of

1085
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:07,450
questions being the reason that a lot of

1086
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:10,089
questions is because they don't have a

1087
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:11,410
lot of answers

1088
00:47:16,109 --> 00:47:14,650
well of course Bush's assertion that the

1089
00:47:18,329 --> 00:47:16,119
war is only gonna cost fifty billion

1090
00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:18,339
dollars in iraqi oil will pay for it all

1091
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:20,440
and now we're staring at about three

1092
00:47:26,099 --> 00:47:22,930
trillion dollars and god knows how much

1093
00:47:29,370 --> 00:47:26,109
money to to you know help support the

1094
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:29,380
returning vets who many of whom were

1095
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:31,690
injured and and the you know serious

1096
00:47:36,809 --> 00:47:35,170
metal help in medicals helped you know

1097
00:47:38,999 --> 00:47:36,819
for probably for the rest of their lives

1098
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:39,009
so we really can't even put a price tag

1099
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:40,930
on it and when was the last time Nick

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00:47:47,009 --> 00:47:43,980
that you heard any mention of iraqi oil

1101
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:47,019
you know how many millions and millions

1102
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:49,180
of barrels of oil have been have been

1103
00:47:52,060 --> 00:47:50,570
pumped out of the ground and

1104
00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:52,070
what happened all that money and why is

1105
00:47:59,290 --> 00:47:57,110
is why is the the country in bomb back

1106
00:48:00,930 --> 00:47:59,300
to the Stone Age and in you know there's

1107
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:00,940
no electricity in places no clean water

1108
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:03,770
the infrastructure has totally been been

1109
00:48:07,060 --> 00:48:04,510
trashed

1110
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:07,070
you know upwards of a million Iraqis

1111
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:09,740
were killed and wounded you know it just

1112
00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:13,160
it's it's horrible in and yet you never

1113
00:48:19,050 --> 00:48:15,560
hear about what's going on with all the

1114
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:19,060
revenues generated by the Iraqi oil it

1115
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:21,680
comes down I mean you know we're

1116
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:24,490
reliance on how the mainstream

1117
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:28,160
large-scale media reports things for the

1118
00:48:33,790 --> 00:48:30,650
most part and unfortunately you know if

1119
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:33,800
the media doesn't report on things we

1120
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:36,490
don't get to know and I think one of the

1121
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,290
disturbing things that I've seen sort of

1122
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:40,640
round the world in terms of the

1123
00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:44,210
mainstream media is that very often I'm

1124
00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:45,230
not painting them all with the same

1125
00:48:52,810 --> 00:48:49,670
brush by any means but sort of

1126
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:52,820
large-scale intensive investigative

1127
00:48:57,730 --> 00:48:55,010
journalism seems very much to have gone

1128
00:49:00,310 --> 00:48:57,740
out the window in terms of a lot of

1129
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:00,320
newspapers you know today it's just

1130
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:02,450
about well here's the press release and

1131
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:04,490
the press release gets published you

1132
00:49:09,490 --> 00:49:07,760
know but that's not investigating

1133
00:49:14,290 --> 00:49:09,500
something that's just pirate fashion in

1134
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:14,300
it and and I think those days need to

1135
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:16,670
come back the days of sort of you know

1136
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,890
the beep journalists the investigative

1137
00:49:29,380 --> 00:49:20,720
journalists going around and knocking on

1138
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,390
doors and Bernstein or over well people

1139
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:31,760
layer them to be over you know I mean an

1140
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:34,640
analogy is that I mean somebody said to

1141
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:36,050
me the other day be totally different

1142
00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:38,210
subject but this whole issue of oh well

1143
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:39,320
in the future we're all going to be

1144
00:49:43,900 --> 00:49:42,380
implanted and the guy said well there's

1145
00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:43,910
no way to stop it I said well of course

1146
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:46,280
there's a way to stop it everybody in

1147
00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:48,530
the country 300 million people just say

1148
00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:53,540
no you know I mean so it's easy to do

1149
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,190
things like that it's easy for the

1150
00:50:01,780 --> 00:49:57,200
entire population never to be implanted

1151
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:01,790
you just say no and and there's no way

1152
00:50:04,690 --> 00:50:03,260
to take on three hundred million people

1153
00:50:06,550 --> 00:50:04,700
so

1154
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:06,560
but that's what it requires it requires

1155
00:50:13,690 --> 00:50:11,390
people to not hide behind the curtains

1156
00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:13,700
you know as individuals but if you want

1157
00:50:18,339 --> 00:50:16,430
to change something you know you you you

1158
00:50:20,530 --> 00:50:18,349
change it yeah it'll be nice to have

1159
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,540
more honesty at least in American

1160
00:50:25,450 --> 00:50:23,359
politics Obama of course ran on a

1161
00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:25,460
platform of having the most transparent

1162
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,240
administration ever promised this and

1163
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:31,520
and the exact opposite has happened it's

1164
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,690
been one of the most hidden and

1165
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:35,200
secretive of all administration's and

1166
00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:38,150
it's just I think it just is an

1167
00:50:43,210 --> 00:50:39,740
indication of where we're going in this

1168
00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:43,220
country I think the the the secrets are

1169
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:46,460
getting more prevalent the secrecy and

1170
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:50,329
the classification of of secrecy I think

1171
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:53,150
is becoming institutionalized to a point

1172
00:50:58,420 --> 00:50:56,210
where it's extremely unhealthy and you

1173
00:51:01,540 --> 00:50:58,430
know I think this whole idea of

1174
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:01,550
accountability and transparency is is a

1175
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:03,410
real major issue that I don't think

1176
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:06,170
enough people are really you know

1177
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,450
indignant enough about in the country I

1178
00:51:12,670 --> 00:51:10,160
think that there's there's a real need

1179
00:51:14,819 --> 00:51:12,680
for people to stand up and demand

1180
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:14,829
accountability and demand transparency

1181
00:51:20,770 --> 00:51:18,470
from their from their politicians and in

1182
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,780
our leaders and you I just don't see it

1183
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:22,400
happening in fact I think the reverse is

1184
00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:24,650
happening we have a transparent break

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00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,180
for you folks and then we'll have more

1186
00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:27,760
of this discussion with Nick Redfern

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00:51:37,180 --> 00:51:31,190
author of secret history with Gina and

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a little rice a little laughs but always

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1250
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Steinberg Nick Redfern author of secret

1251
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history conspiracies from ancient aliens

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to the new world order with Jeana and

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Chris and now we're getting deep and

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dirty into those conspiracies into the

1255
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way we look at our world and what might

1256
00:54:27,740 --> 00:54:25,650
be really going on Chris made a comment

1257
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:27,750
before we did our break Nick let's have

1258
00:54:32,180 --> 00:54:29,970
a transparent comment from Nick Redfern

1259
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:32,190
well yeah I think this is something

1260
00:54:37,070 --> 00:54:34,440
that's all around the world there seems

1261
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:37,080
to be this culture of it's important to

1262
00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:40,440
go down almost like in 1984 Orwellian

1263
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:43,500
pathway you know not with Jack booty

1264
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:46,050
troops knocking the doors down and

1265
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:49,010
burning books it's almost like a slow

1266
00:54:55,460 --> 00:54:52,980
unstoppable progression into a worldwide

1267
00:54:57,740 --> 00:54:55,470
like surveillance state that seems to be

1268
00:54:59,330 --> 00:54:57,750
how things are going with little things

1269
00:55:01,940 --> 00:54:59,340
introduced here and little things

1270
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:01,950
introduced there it's like you don't

1271
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:05,520
notice it until it creeps up and you

1272
00:55:09,260 --> 00:55:07,290
think wow you know the world is

1273
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:09,270
completely different so it was 20 years

1274
00:55:12,590 --> 00:55:11,430
ago but you didn't really notice he

1275
00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:12,600
happening and that's that's the

1276
00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:14,820
dangerous thing when he what heat occurs

1277
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:17,400
like that you know transparency goes

1278
00:55:24,740 --> 00:55:21,090
away secrecy increases more and more

1279
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:24,750
sort of Rights and privacy laws eroded

1280
00:55:29,180 --> 00:55:27,420
and then you find well that's where you

1281
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:29,190
are you know you're sort of far down the

1282
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:31,050
line and what the hell happened in

1283
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:32,400
between that kind of thing

1284
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,770
well it's like that the old axiom when

1285
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:36,480
they came and took away the Jews I

1286
00:55:39,020 --> 00:55:37,710
didn't say anything because I wasn't

1287
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:39,030
Jewish and then when they came and took

1288
00:55:43,250 --> 00:55:41,250
away the gypsies I didn't say I wasn't a

1289
00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:43,260
gypsy and when it came and took me away

1290
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,600
nobody said anything because uh it's

1291
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:47,760
just it's it's very disheartening I

1292
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:50,130
think and you know I think the younger

1293
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:53,940
people who don't know any better I think

1294
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:55,290
it's kind of normal for them and that's

1295
00:55:59,720 --> 00:55:57,170
that's you know this creeping

1296
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,730
institutionalization of secrecy and of

1297
00:56:02,810 --> 00:56:00,960
surveillance I

1298
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:02,820
think is is kind of commonplace for

1299
00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:04,710
young people they've already become sort

1300
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:06,599
of numb to it and and that makes it

1301
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:09,839
easier for the powers that be to enact

1302
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:11,730
their freedom acts and their Patriot

1303
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:14,490
Act's and these types of disingenuous

1304
00:56:20,839 --> 00:56:18,930
sounding oxymoron legislation you know I

1305
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:20,849
mean I just read a thing this morning

1306
00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:24,240
about I think police are requisitioning

1307
00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:25,980
bayonets from the government now know

1308
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:28,320
what the heck is a police force a

1309
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:30,210
domestic police force need a bayonet

1310
00:56:37,010 --> 00:56:33,839
fork or bayonets you know we're seeing a

1311
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:37,020
military zation oh please you know we

1312
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:40,650
have these very shady kind of psyops

1313
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:43,290
military maneuvers like Jade helm it's

1314
00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:45,240
just I don't know I think kids kids

1315
00:56:50,660 --> 00:56:48,660
really this is gonna be this is normal

1316
00:56:52,070 --> 00:56:50,670
for them now and I don't think you're

1317
00:56:55,310 --> 00:56:52,080
gonna have the kind of outcry I think

1318
00:56:59,000 --> 00:56:55,320
you know why complain about something

1319
00:57:02,060 --> 00:56:59,010
that's normal to you I think you know

1320
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:02,070
most of us listening to the show on the

1321
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:04,770
show etcetera etc were born into an era

1322
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:08,010
the predates the internet now of course

1323
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:11,250
the Internet has been massively good or

1324
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:13,710
it can be you know use the right way can

1325
00:57:18,829 --> 00:57:16,800
be a massively good resource tool you

1326
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:18,839
know whether for social media contacting

1327
00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:20,910
friends finding dates and information

1328
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:25,380
work travel plans you name it but it

1329
00:57:30,109 --> 00:57:27,900
also you know has the ability to sort of

1330
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:30,119
isolate people and certainly you see

1331
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:33,210
that we'd like the young kids where you

1332
00:57:36,349 --> 00:57:34,650
know I mean how many young kids today

1333
00:57:38,359 --> 00:57:36,359
right the in the u.s. ride the bikes

1334
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:38,369
around town and fall off the bike and

1335
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:41,310
get scrapes and cut and ride out at 7

1336
00:57:44,839 --> 00:57:43,020
o'clock with their friends you don't see

1337
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,849
that you know they're all locked up in

1338
00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:47,280
the bedroom texting and god forbid they

1339
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:49,020
fall off the bike because then the

1340
00:57:54,260 --> 00:57:51,089
parents freak out and you know you've

1341
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got to get all these new medicines you

1342
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:56,130
know from your local pharmacy to put on

1343
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the wound otherwise are getting affected

1344
00:58:02,089 --> 00:57:59,010
and the legs gonna have to be chopped

1345
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:02,099
off no no no when we were kids you fall

1346
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:03,810
off your bike you go out your mom says

1347
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:05,490
what you don't know if fell off my bike

1348
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:07,650
you know just clean it up and forget

1349
00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:10,650
about it you know it's like parents have

1350
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:12,900
become paranoid about letting the kid

1351
00:58:14,510 --> 00:58:14,310
said you know don't let them get in the

1352
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:14,520
do

1353
00:58:18,340 --> 00:58:15,930
you know they're gonna get a new type of

1354
00:58:21,110 --> 00:58:18,350
virus that we've got to be warned about

1355
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:21,120
for those kids they don't know how the

1356
00:58:25,340 --> 00:58:24,000
world used to be they don't know there

1357
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:25,350
is a world out there where you can have

1358
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:25,920
fun

1359
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:27,900
you know they're brought up to believe

1360
00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:30,330
that god forbid you touch somebody's

1361
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:32,070
front door you know I mean what could be

1362
00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:33,510
on it could be infected with the Black

1363
00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:36,630
Death or something you know so you have

1364
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:39,270
that angle and of course as you said yet

1365
00:58:44,660 --> 00:58:41,130
the most important thing is that the new

1366
00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:44,670
generation is born into a world where

1367
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:46,230
they've not known any difference

1368
00:58:49,310 --> 00:58:48,330
they don't have memories of when it

1369
00:58:52,790 --> 00:58:49,320
wasn't like that

1370
00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:52,800
so yeah I mean I can I don't mean to

1371
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:54,540
sound defeatist because it's not but I

1372
00:58:59,930 --> 00:58:58,170
can understand how a future generations

1373
00:59:01,300 --> 00:58:59,940
you know perhaps the wall after this one

1374
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:01,310
and the one after that

1375
00:59:06,350 --> 00:59:03,450
really wouldn't care if they were

1376
00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:06,360
implanted or not you know if they don't

1377
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:09,000
care why should I care about him that's

1378
00:59:13,460 --> 00:59:10,410
the way I look at it you know if you

1379
00:59:16,130 --> 00:59:13,470
want to give up I need 1700 years and

1380
00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:16,140
now well screw you you know did your for

1381
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:18,390
you know I'm not going to worry about

1382
00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:21,330
those people if they you know fair shake

1383
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:24,030
I see the country kind of in in many

1384
00:59:28,340 --> 00:59:26,700
ways sort of devolving into a state of

1385
00:59:30,620 --> 00:59:28,350
waking coma I think there's a lot of

1386
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:30,630
people walking around you know they're

1387
00:59:36,290 --> 00:59:32,720
they're tranquilized they're they're

1388
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:36,300
taking mood-altering any depressants and

1389
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:38,760
in prozac and xanax and all these these

1390
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:41,370
these types of numbing you know

1391
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:43,770
medications that just sort of I think

1392
00:59:49,070 --> 00:59:45,690
kind of dumb you down and just make you

1393
00:59:55,580 --> 00:59:49,080
sort of numb to to you know reality in

1394
00:59:59,840 --> 00:59:55,590
many ways and I think you know you

1395
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,850
motive ostensibly help your moods but

1396
01:00:05,420 --> 01:00:01,920
then you are hooked on them you know

1397
01:00:08,180 --> 01:00:05,430
it's like these attract you know but

1398
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:08,190
again I mean thirty years ago

1399
01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:12,210
I mean people weren't popping this pill

1400
01:00:16,310 --> 01:00:14,430
for anxiety or depression or this or

1401
01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:16,320
whatever you just got on with your lives

1402
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:18,750
and you know if you feel a bit down on a

1403
01:00:22,340 --> 01:00:20,700
Monday morning that's no reason to pop a

1404
01:00:24,050 --> 01:00:22,350
pill everybody's down on a Monday

1405
01:00:26,510 --> 01:00:24,060
morning you know what you got to do is

1406
01:00:28,010 --> 01:00:26,520
just sort of pull your boots on and get

1407
01:00:30,830 --> 01:00:28,020
on with the day and

1408
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:30,840
you're feeling a bit low give yourself a

1409
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:32,610
punch around the face and snap out of it

1410
01:00:39,980 --> 01:00:36,090
you know thank you feel that's the way I

1411
01:00:40,730 --> 01:00:39,990
look at it I mean I mean I mean I don't

1412
01:00:43,130 --> 01:00:40,740
have kids

1413
01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:43,140
so it's all okay for me too you know

1414
01:00:46,580 --> 01:00:44,790
some people said well you know you don't

1415
01:00:48,650 --> 01:00:46,590
have kids or whatever you know what it's

1416
01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:48,660
like and all the stress but I mean it's

1417
01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:52,380
all this sort of stuff about you know

1418
01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:54,540
changing kids not to do this not to do

1419
01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:56,700
that well I mean when I was a little kid

1420
01:00:59,690 --> 01:00:58,140
if I did something wrong but Debbie can

1421
01:01:02,300 --> 01:00:59,700
be asleep around the head and I don't

1422
01:01:04,910 --> 01:01:02,310
know not to do it again today the

1423
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:04,920
parents will be hauled off before you

1424
01:01:09,140 --> 01:01:07,170
know whoever and threaten with the kids

1425
01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:09,150
being taken away from well you never at

1426
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:11,310
me for going to you know clip

1427
01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:12,890
around the ear or whatever because I

1428
01:01:17,090 --> 01:01:15,540
pulled next door's fence over trying to

1429
01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:17,100
climb it or something you know what I

1430
01:01:22,070 --> 01:01:18,380
mean

1431
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:22,080
and so it's like common sense is gone

1432
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:25,920
and it's been replaced by just people

1433
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:28,500
living in states of fear anxiety stress

1434
01:01:33,710 --> 01:01:31,650
depression oh you know do you wake up on

1435
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:33,720
a Monday morning you know feeling

1436
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:35,490
depressed and down you've got Monday

1437
01:01:39,650 --> 01:01:38,010
morning syndrome no it's Monday morning

1438
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:39,660
and we've just had a great weekend and I

1439
01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:42,210
really don't want to get up no you no

1440
01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:44,460
need to be on pills but things like that

1441
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:46,350
and if you depressed because how your

1442
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:48,930
life is or change your life you know

1443
01:01:53,090 --> 01:01:50,730
don't take a pill to cope with the life

1444
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:53,100
you've got that's crappy change your

1445
01:01:55,940 --> 01:01:53,610
life

1446
01:02:00,290 --> 01:01:55,950
yeah and change the laws and make it

1447
01:02:03,170 --> 01:02:00,300
illegal to advertise drugs on TV in and

1448
01:02:06,140 --> 01:02:03,180
just prompt people to be in a constant

1449
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:06,150
state of you know self medication and

1450
01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:08,190
self diagnosis you know I loved it when

1451
01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:10,380
when the first drug commercial started

1452
01:02:13,070 --> 01:02:11,700
coming out after they changed the laws

1453
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:13,080
and one of the first ones to be

1454
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:15,450
advertised was claritin and in this ad

1455
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:17,250
would come on and it would be this real

1456
01:02:22,700 --> 01:02:20,010
psychedelic you know this colorful kind

1457
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:22,710
of dreamlike sequence of trees and

1458
01:02:28,820 --> 01:02:26,490
flowers blooming in fast motion and and

1459
01:02:30,860 --> 01:02:28,830
then it said claritin ask your doctor if

1460
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:30,870
it's right for you and they never told

1461
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:33,570
you what it was for it just blew my mind

1462
01:02:40,570 --> 01:02:36,720
I'm looking at whoever was in the room

1463
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:42,190
this is a problem of people today

1464
01:02:46,450 --> 01:02:45,110
condition that they've gotta be on some

1465
01:02:49,540 --> 01:02:46,460
think you're not on something or what's

1466
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:49,550
wrong with you oh I mean I'm not nothing

1467
01:02:54,340 --> 01:02:52,370
special but I mean I've never taken an

1468
01:02:56,910 --> 01:02:54,350
antidepressant an anxiety pill or

1469
01:03:00,550 --> 01:02:56,920
nothing in my entire life not never mind

1470
01:03:02,770 --> 01:03:00,560
last couple years I lied to Dan busy

1471
01:03:04,090 --> 01:03:02,780
dude you you got so much going on that

1472
01:03:13,150 --> 01:03:04,100
there's just no way I mean you don't

1473
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:13,160
have time to be depressed yeah you

1474
01:03:24,010 --> 01:03:22,210
you know I mean joking aside my view is

1475
01:03:26,350 --> 01:03:24,020
all if you down you're not feeling so

1476
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:26,360
good and things aren't going well you

1477
01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:29,210
have to do things to put it right you

1478
01:03:33,070 --> 01:03:30,860
know you can't just sort of roll over

1479
01:03:35,260 --> 01:03:33,080
and lose and end up like a quivering

1480
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:35,270
wreck on the floor let's talk about

1481
01:03:40,210 --> 01:03:37,130
quivering wrecks in our next segment

1482
01:03:49,060 --> 01:03:40,220
with Jeanne and Chris and Nick Redfern

1483
01:03:50,830 --> 01:03:49,070
you're in the pure cast gold is it for

1484
01:03:52,660 --> 01:03:50,840
you today Anderson president of Midas

1485
01:03:54,580 --> 01:03:52,670
Resources one of the world's premier

1486
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:54,590
gold and precious metal investing firms

1487
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:55,490
I get it

1488
01:03:58,810 --> 01:03:57,110
you wouldn't buy gold if you believed

1489
01:04:00,850 --> 01:03:58,820
that the government is doing a great job

1490
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:00,860
that the Fed will stop handing out

1491
01:04:04,690 --> 01:04:02,810
trillions of dollars like bail out candy

1492
01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:04,700
that Social Security would be there for

1493
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,260
you that's not what's happening

1494
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:08,480
you might even pass on gold if the

1495
01:04:12,670 --> 01:04:10,880
stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation

1496
01:04:14,620 --> 01:04:12,680
or that the dollar wouldn't lose value

1497
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:14,630
or that your retirement would be secure

1498
01:04:19,030 --> 01:04:17,090
if all looks rosy to you and now is not

1499
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:19,040
the time to buy gold for the realists

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01:04:22,690 --> 01:04:20,450
there have never been more sobering

1501
01:04:25,780 --> 01:04:22,700
reasons to diversify with gold since

1502
01:04:28,330 --> 01:04:25,790
2001 the US Dollar Index has tanked 30

1503
01:04:30,310 --> 01:04:28,340
percent while gold has risen 300 percent

1504
01:04:32,530 --> 01:04:30,320
right now savvy investors are adding

1505
01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:32,540
gold to their portfolios you should to

1506
01:04:36,190 --> 01:04:34,550
find out what they know call us and I'll

1507
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:36,200
send you 10 reasons why gold will do

1508
01:04:40,750 --> 01:04:38,480
very well three eight hundred six eight

1509
01:04:43,180 --> 01:04:40,760
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1510
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:43,190
six eight six two two three seven that's

1511
01:04:50,830 --> 01:04:45,170
eight hundred six eight six two two

1512
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:50,840
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1540
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your home security system can be

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1543
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almost every home security system even

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those sold by big-name companies has a

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1598
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show I don't think so

1599
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Nick Redfern you want to continue on

1600
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:19,350
that discussion that I'd like to focus

1601
01:08:24,620 --> 01:08:21,810
on specific conspiracies and what they

1602
01:08:27,769 --> 01:08:24,630
mean yeah that's fine I think people

1603
01:08:30,349 --> 01:08:27,779
need to sort of wake up go back to

1604
01:08:33,559 --> 01:08:30,359
actually using common sense stop being

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paranoid about touching doorknobs and

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sinks and get the kids out of the house

1607
01:08:41,209 --> 01:08:38,699
show in the real world whether they like

1608
01:08:43,579 --> 01:08:41,219
it or not and try and get back some

1609
01:08:45,289 --> 01:08:43,589
semblance of how things were in the past

1610
01:08:47,539 --> 01:08:45,299
no I'm not saying that you know I did

1611
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:47,549
not stole her or anything like that it's

1612
01:08:52,129 --> 01:08:50,100
just because okay technology wise you

1613
01:08:54,559 --> 01:08:52,139
might be far more advanced today but

1614
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:54,569
we've lost humanity to a degree we've

1615
01:08:59,629 --> 01:08:57,449
lost our social interaction you know I

1616
01:09:02,450 --> 01:08:59,639
don't call social interaction texting

1617
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:02,460
yes you know to me social interaction is

1618
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:05,130
what I what I do which is like Friday

1619
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:07,020
night down the pub satting I go and see

1620
01:09:09,530 --> 01:09:07,770
a band

1621
01:09:12,620 --> 01:09:09,540
Sunday night with a girlfriend whatever

1622
01:09:14,990 --> 01:09:12,630
that to me social interaction not

1623
01:09:18,019 --> 01:09:15,000
playing video games yeah where are you

1624
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:18,029
now letter R letter you but to me that's

1625
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:20,310
not social interaction that's just being

1626
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:24,239
like Robbie the robot you know we live

1627
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:26,310
in a in a very narcissistic culture I

1628
01:09:30,109 --> 01:09:27,690
think where it's becoming more and more

1629
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,119
narcissistic i I go up to Grand Canyon

1630
01:09:34,849 --> 01:09:32,400
do tours up there in all the time and

1631
01:09:36,590 --> 01:09:34,859
and more and more of these people are

1632
01:09:38,180 --> 01:09:36,600
walking around with these selfie sticks

1633
01:09:41,689 --> 01:09:38,190
I'm gonna I'm gonna take one just beat

1634
01:09:43,870 --> 01:09:41,699
the hell out of somebody it's me it's

1635
01:09:46,820 --> 01:09:43,880
the most back in the 60s you know you

1636
01:09:49,220 --> 01:09:46,830
you kind of judge the progress of a

1637
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:49,230
culture by you know the types of the

1638
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:51,210
expansion of language and in words and

1639
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:54,210
and back then it was ego trip and and

1640
01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:57,060
freak out and and kind of the terms that

1641
01:10:01,609 --> 01:09:58,980
you know we've sort of summed up two

1642
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:01,619
times and in in today's day and age its

1643
01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:04,380
selfie and twerking and you know all

1644
01:10:08,140 --> 01:10:06,300
these very narcissistic kind of bizarre

1645
01:10:09,820 --> 01:10:08,150
sort of

1646
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:09,830
well again narcissistic is the only word

1647
01:10:14,590 --> 01:10:12,080
I can think of and you know people have

1648
01:10:17,410 --> 01:10:14,600
to start waking up you're right we need

1649
01:10:19,390 --> 01:10:17,420
to start interacting more in a genuine

1650
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:19,400
way not not a superficial way on

1651
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:22,159
Facebook or texting and get your noses

1652
01:10:28,060 --> 01:10:25,250
out of your damn smartphones you know I

1653
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:28,070
don't know how many times I pull up next

1654
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:29,810
to somebody and they're driving along

1655
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:31,520
and they're texting I mean it to me it's

1656
01:10:36,130 --> 01:10:33,409
it's dangerous number one and number two

1657
01:10:38,430 --> 01:10:36,140
it's just emblematic of what's going on

1658
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:38,440
in the culture right now and I if that's

1659
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:40,760
sounding like an old fogey you know I

1660
01:10:47,050 --> 01:10:45,440
don't care I claim it I mean one of the

1661
01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:47,060
things I would say you know I'm not

1662
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:49,820
denying the importance of the technology

1663
01:10:53,740 --> 01:10:51,650
that we have today you know I'm not some

1664
01:10:55,689 --> 01:10:53,750
sort of Lord ayats as they call who

1665
01:10:57,370 --> 01:10:55,699
wants to go back today's let me just use

1666
01:11:00,220 --> 01:10:57,380
phones and faxes I mean that'd be

1667
01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:00,230
ridiculous you know the Internet is an

1668
01:11:04,990 --> 01:11:03,409
amazing tool and you know life would be

1669
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:05,000
worse without it but I think what's

1670
01:11:11,169 --> 01:11:08,330
happened is that it's essentially become

1671
01:11:13,899 --> 01:11:11,179
all control in an old dominating what

1672
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:13,909
we've lost with the internet means the

1673
01:11:19,959 --> 01:11:17,360
balance of the incredible opportunity

1674
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:19,969
gives us we're also having a normal life

1675
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:24,080
yes we've lost the normal life aspect

1676
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:27,650
and totally gone over to the technology

1677
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:30,560
side of things if it was a pure balance

1678
01:11:34,180 --> 01:11:32,570
you know which is what I try and do you

1679
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:34,190
know I mean a lot of people know I work

1680
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:37,250
8:00 to 5:00 Monday to Friday and that's

1681
01:11:40,330 --> 01:11:38,810
it I don't work at night I work at

1682
01:11:42,580 --> 01:11:40,340
weekends unless it's like a conference

1683
01:11:44,860 --> 01:11:42,590
or something and I just have a totally

1684
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:44,870
normal life away you know follow the

1685
01:11:49,810 --> 01:11:47,449
soccer a lot i watch that I did totally

1686
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:49,820
normal stuff and I think if you can

1687
01:11:55,660 --> 01:11:53,570
balance it everything's good but today's

1688
01:11:57,580 --> 01:11:55,670
generation cannot balance you're young

1689
01:12:00,820 --> 01:11:57,590
yet youngest generations cannot balance

1690
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:00,830
it they just totally they based becoming

1691
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:03,110
to a slave to the Machine you know what

1692
01:12:07,450 --> 01:12:05,690
I mean now let me ask you here since

1693
01:12:09,790 --> 01:12:07,460
we're so much focusing on secret

1694
01:12:11,830 --> 01:12:09,800
histories and conspiracies do you think

1695
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:11,840
the way that young people behave today

1696
01:12:17,410 --> 01:12:14,449
is driven by the technology and just

1697
01:12:19,899 --> 01:12:17,420
natural evolution the way things work or

1698
01:12:21,180 --> 01:12:19,909
there's some other force at work fair

1699
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:21,190
well

1700
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:23,370
what you're saying I mean I don't think

1701
01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:26,650
smartphones were created to deliberately

1702
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:28,420
watch everyone and keep everybody

1703
01:12:33,570 --> 01:12:30,610
occupied but I think there are probably

1704
01:12:35,459 --> 01:12:33,580
certain power players who have come to

1705
01:12:37,860 --> 01:12:35,469
realize that wow you know yes this

1706
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:37,870
technology was introduced you know to

1707
01:12:41,310 --> 01:12:39,730
create a better phone but actually we

1708
01:12:43,890 --> 01:12:41,320
can make use of it and watch everybody

1709
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:43,900
with it so I think that's happened you

1710
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:46,480
know and you spell Google can I spell go

1711
01:12:51,630 --> 01:12:49,930
back and try you just did I think it's

1712
01:12:53,490 --> 01:12:51,640
like any of these technologies I don't

1713
01:12:55,620 --> 01:12:53,500
think they were created by some sinister

1714
01:12:57,540 --> 01:12:55,630
body where they thought well you know we

1715
01:12:59,520 --> 01:12:57,550
can watch everybody and if we bring out

1716
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,530
electronic books we can see what

1717
01:13:03,180 --> 01:13:01,360
everybody's reading I don't think he was

1718
01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:03,190
deliberately done like that but I think

1719
01:13:07,620 --> 01:13:05,830
it is a situation where certain people

1720
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:07,630
like I said can say wow you know so the

1721
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:08,770
fact that people are reading books

1722
01:13:12,090 --> 01:13:10,570
online now we can see what the Radian

1723
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:12,100
you know and whereas if they're just

1724
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:14,770
going into a store or whatever you know

1725
01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:17,410
that it's it's less easy I think that's

1726
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:19,150
the problem is that the more the

1727
01:13:25,950 --> 01:13:22,239
technology advances today internet-based

1728
01:13:27,930 --> 01:13:25,960
stuff it becomes more and more easy to

1729
01:13:29,610 --> 01:13:27,940
follow what we're doing I mean going

1730
01:13:31,860 --> 01:13:29,620
back to that issue of beanie implanted I

1731
01:13:32,580 --> 01:13:31,870
mean actually previously said you know

1732
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:32,590
what do you think about the whole

1733
01:13:37,229 --> 01:13:34,770
implant thing and I said well really

1734
01:13:38,939 --> 01:13:37,239
it's a non-issue we don't need any

1735
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:38,949
implant it everything anymore know like

1736
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,600
well why not so because most people are

1737
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,880
got iPhones your every movement can be

1738
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:45,040
tracked your every social media

1739
01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:46,960
interaction can be tracked every book

1740
01:13:51,050 --> 01:13:49,180
see my apartment and can be tracked you

1741
01:13:53,340 --> 01:13:51,060
know need to be implanted you

1742
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,350
effectively you are implants except

1743
01:13:58,170 --> 01:13:54,880
under your skin it's in your pocket

1744
01:14:02,070 --> 01:13:58,180
right good point I want full of good

1745
01:14:04,979 --> 01:14:02,080
points yeah I'm noticing we're all

1746
01:14:07,709 --> 01:14:04,989
having fun here you know there's a

1747
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:07,719
feeling here that a lot of things

1748
01:14:12,900 --> 01:14:10,810
changed for the worse beginning with the

1749
01:14:17,370 --> 01:14:12,910
Kennedy assassination there was so much

1750
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:17,380
optimism in our world and after that we

1751
01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:21,010
had that event with lulav controversy

1752
01:14:25,950 --> 01:14:23,260
over who will actually happen

1753
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:25,960
we had a Vietnam War that may or may not

1754
01:14:31,290 --> 01:14:28,239
have played out that way if Kennedy were

1755
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:31,300
still alive all those things what's your

1756
01:14:36,660 --> 01:14:34,510
perception well I wasn't

1757
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:36,670
an Asian happen but I mean you know

1758
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,570
anyone who knows anything about history

1759
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:42,480
realizes the sort of sheer shock and

1760
01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:44,590
vibrations that went through the country

1761
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:46,329
and the world when that happened you

1762
01:14:50,910 --> 01:14:47,650
know I'm sure there's anybody who's

1763
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:50,920
alive under a certain age not just in

1764
01:14:54,569 --> 01:14:53,170
America who doesn't remember what where

1765
01:14:56,669 --> 01:14:54,579
they were you know in Kennedy was shot

1766
01:14:59,060 --> 01:14:56,679
I'm sure they do but yeah and I think

1767
01:15:01,319 --> 01:14:59,070
what a lot of this comes down to is

1768
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:01,329
something which I think also applies to

1769
01:15:06,779 --> 01:15:04,329
the UFO issue I genuinely don't believe

1770
01:15:08,850 --> 01:15:06,789
that a lot of the things that are seen

1771
01:15:11,549 --> 01:15:08,860
as being the work of by the elected

1772
01:15:13,169 --> 01:15:11,559
government actually is the work of the

1773
01:15:15,049 --> 01:15:13,179
elected government I actually think we

1774
01:15:17,569 --> 01:15:15,059
often think they're sort of like rogue

1775
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:17,579
agencies or sort of black-budget

1776
01:15:21,689 --> 01:15:20,110
operations and they're the ones really

1777
01:15:23,549 --> 01:15:21,699
pulling the strings and they're the ones

1778
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:23,559
trying to push this through or push that

1779
01:15:28,129 --> 01:15:26,110
through and it's done under the banner

1780
01:15:30,540 --> 01:15:28,139
of government so you know I think

1781
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:30,550
genuinely do think that you know the

1782
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:33,489
elected governments may be perceived as

1783
01:15:37,950 --> 01:15:35,650
the bad guys by a lot of people but I

1784
01:15:39,509 --> 01:15:37,960
think in many respects they're not but

1785
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:39,519
their strings are being pulled

1786
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:42,730
unknowingly by powerful players linked

1787
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:45,250
with worldwide multi corporations and

1788
01:15:49,649 --> 01:15:47,530
things like that and I think with all

1789
01:15:51,899 --> 01:15:49,659
these operations different tentacles

1790
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:51,909
going on they're the ones who have

1791
01:15:55,459 --> 01:15:53,530
changed things since the Kennedy

1792
01:15:58,169 --> 01:15:55,469
assassination you know they're the ones

1793
01:16:00,479 --> 01:15:58,179
lurking in the shadows while we're all

1794
01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:00,489
people pointing the finger at the CIA or

1795
01:16:04,709 --> 01:16:01,800
whatever for the Kennedy assassination

1796
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:04,719
but it's this powerful body lurking in

1797
01:16:09,629 --> 01:16:06,159
the shadows and that could apply to

1798
01:16:11,939 --> 01:16:09,639
other political assassinations reasons

1799
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:11,949
for getting into Wars you know who's

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01:16:16,919 --> 01:16:14,320
actually coming up with the reasons why

1801
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we need to go into this war is if the

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government is if the Pentagon or is it

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actually as I suspect you know people

1804
01:16:26,009 --> 01:16:23,739
who may have ties to these bodies but

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have sort of a more sinister and far

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deeper agenda going on good point it's

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greed with Gene and Chris and Nick

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one business day and they're A+ rated

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with the Better Business Bureau has

1901
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opened up so many doors for me now it's

1902
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really truly the sky is the limit

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illimitable hi it's Greg Cameron from

1907
01:21:01,690 --> 01:20:59,180
presidential you know for comm you're

1908
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:01,700
listening to the para cast the gold

1909
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:09,650
standard of paranormal radio with gene

1910
01:21:15,070 --> 01:21:11,690
and Chris and Nick we're talking about

1911
01:21:17,710 --> 01:21:15,080
greed and conspiracies and all the

1912
01:21:19,330 --> 01:21:17,720
strange things that are going on there's

1913
01:21:22,210 --> 01:21:19,340
a lot to talk about in this book and I

1914
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:22,220
wanted to focus on a few things just hit

1915
01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:25,040
me as I was reading the chapter number

1916
01:21:31,180 --> 01:21:28,190
one being a conspiracy with regard to

1917
01:21:32,890 --> 01:21:31,190
the Lenin assassination so is there a

1918
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:32,900
suggestion here it was not just this

1919
01:21:39,250 --> 01:21:36,290
lone crazed gunman well for most people

1920
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:39,260
who sort of commented on the you know

1921
01:21:43,870 --> 01:21:41,450
the death of John Lennon it's not

1922
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:43,880
whether or not mark Chapman was the only

1923
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:46,370
gunman I mean he clearly was the big

1924
01:21:51,090 --> 01:21:49,040
question is did Mark Chapman do it of

1925
01:21:54,130 --> 01:21:51,100
his own accord or was he some kind of

1926
01:21:56,740 --> 01:21:54,140
Manchurian Candidate you know that sort

1927
01:21:58,960 --> 01:21:56,750
of being the the major thrust of the

1928
01:22:00,460 --> 01:21:58,970
research community that exists in that

1929
01:22:01,150 --> 01:22:00,470
field and there is sort of like an

1930
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:01,160
undercurrent

1931
01:22:04,510 --> 01:22:03,650
people who who focus on that particular

1932
01:22:06,580 --> 01:22:04,520
area

1933
01:22:10,150 --> 01:22:06,590
you know they've pointed out the fact

1934
01:22:11,860 --> 01:22:10,160
that of things like you know baby MK

1935
01:22:15,820 --> 01:22:11,870
ULTRA thing when that kicked off in the

1936
01:22:18,210 --> 01:22:15,830
fifties and continued for years I mean

1937
01:22:20,260 --> 01:22:18,220
for example we do one classic example

1938
01:22:22,750 --> 01:22:20,270
there been a lot of rumors over the

1939
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:22,760
years that the CIA used to recruit

1940
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:26,930
people through the old YMCA the YMCA

1941
01:22:32,620 --> 01:22:30,560
star yeah mm-hmm yes that was actually

1942
01:22:35,620 --> 01:22:32,630
said by Philip Agee who wrote the CIA

1943
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:35,630
diary in 75 he said he was like prime

1944
01:22:50,290 --> 01:22:44,690
recruiting grounds why and don't spare

1945
01:22:52,810 --> 01:22:50,300
us Chris please yeah but mark Chapman

1946
01:22:54,130 --> 01:22:52,820
you know he spent time there he also did

1947
01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:54,140
a bunch of LSD

1948
01:22:59,800 --> 01:22:56,450
now of course LSD was something that was

1949
01:23:03,520 --> 01:22:59,810
tested extensively in the whole MKULTRA

1950
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:03,530
program particularly in the 50s and I

1951
01:23:08,710 --> 01:23:06,080
mean the where John Lennon was shot the

1952
01:23:11,190 --> 01:23:08,720
Dakota Hotel well the doorman there was

1953
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:11,200
a man named Jose Sun Janis padam oh and

1954
01:23:17,650 --> 01:23:14,480
he actually worked we both the CIA the

1955
01:23:18,910 --> 01:23:17,660
Cuban secret police and the CIA well you

1956
01:23:20,290 --> 01:23:18,920
know that's the fact he doesn't mean he

1957
01:23:21,940 --> 01:23:20,300
was involved he just made you - barely

1958
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:21,950
odd strands of a story

1959
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:25,280
it wasn't Chapman recruited by John

1960
01:23:30,370 --> 01:23:28,090
Hinckley's dad in Florida that that

1961
01:23:33,610 --> 01:23:30,380
religious charity organization world

1962
01:23:36,250 --> 01:23:33,620
something rather sort of this is the

1963
01:23:38,890 --> 01:23:36,260
interesting thing about the the Lennon

1964
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:38,900
assassination is that you have all these

1965
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:41,600
multiple strands for example the FBI is

1966
01:23:47,260 --> 01:23:44,960
now Declassified its file on John Lennon

1967
01:23:49,630 --> 01:23:47,270
which you can find at the FBI's website

1968
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:49,640
the vault it's clear that the FBI was

1969
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:51,890
concerned by the fact that John Lennon

1970
01:23:56,770 --> 01:23:54,170
was someone who you know millions of

1971
01:23:59,290 --> 01:23:56,780
people listened to and he was demanding

1972
01:24:01,480 --> 01:23:59,300
that the u.s. get out of the Vietnam War

1973
01:24:04,660 --> 01:24:01,490
I mean it was just so many on a street

1974
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:04,670
corner or you know somebody like us who

1975
01:24:10,270 --> 01:24:07,490
smell who sells like a small number of

1976
01:24:14,379 --> 01:24:10,280
books there abouts but nobody really

1977
01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:14,389
cares when to a world famous rock star

1978
01:24:17,770 --> 01:24:16,159
his name on the front page of national

1979
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:17,780
newspapers because of his stance on the

1980
01:24:24,580 --> 01:24:20,570
Vietnam War people do listen and there's

1981
01:24:27,310 --> 01:24:24,590
so in other words he was someone who by

1982
01:24:29,469 --> 01:24:27,320
default I guess had the ability to

1983
01:24:32,129 --> 01:24:29,479
influence a great deal of people to go

1984
01:24:34,839 --> 01:24:32,139
down a path the certain other people

1985
01:24:37,629 --> 01:24:34,849
didn't want the country to go you know

1986
01:24:40,209 --> 01:24:37,639
out of Vietnam and we also know that

1987
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:40,219
Britain's domestic intelligence service

1988
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:42,530
mi5 the the British including to the FBI

1989
01:24:49,089 --> 01:24:46,159
they had extensive files on John Lennon

1990
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:49,099
as well so they all sort of viewed him

1991
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:52,010
as like a troublemaker and somebody who

1992
01:24:57,459 --> 01:24:55,130
was causing problems as they saw them so

1993
01:25:00,250 --> 01:24:57,469
you know when you read these extensive

1994
01:25:02,500 --> 01:25:00,260
files and things like this and then you

1995
01:25:05,139 --> 01:25:02,510
see people tied with this organization

1996
01:25:07,330 --> 01:25:05,149
that organization it's no wonder the

1997
01:25:08,969 --> 01:25:07,340
conspiracy theories have developed that

1998
01:25:11,469 --> 01:25:08,979
somebody said hey you know let's just

1999
01:25:14,139 --> 01:25:11,479
get one of these Manchurian candidates

2000
01:25:15,969 --> 01:25:14,149
and get rid of this man you know now

2001
01:25:19,209 --> 01:25:15,979
when you talk of Manchurian Candidate

2002
01:25:22,029 --> 01:25:19,219
that label is often applied to Sirhan

2003
01:25:24,850 --> 01:25:22,039
Sirhan and the death of Robert Kennedy

2004
01:25:27,279 --> 01:25:24,860
now I'm gonna age myself here let me

2005
01:25:29,259 --> 01:25:27,289
tell you how I first heard about it I

2006
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:29,269
was working in a very small radio

2007
01:25:34,859 --> 01:25:32,329
station in Worthington Minnesota while

2008
01:25:38,049 --> 01:25:34,869
medium sized station for that part of

2009
01:25:40,299 --> 01:25:38,059
Southwest Minnesota I was driving to

2010
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:40,309
work and listening to one of the big

2011
01:25:45,429 --> 01:25:43,130
stations from Minneapolis st. Paul and I

2012
01:25:47,919 --> 01:25:45,439
heard the early news about the shooting

2013
01:25:50,739 --> 01:25:47,929
of Robert Kennedy that's my first

2014
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:50,749
exposure but why do we call this guy

2015
01:25:56,169 --> 01:25:53,090
Sirhan Sirhan who today would probably

2016
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,179
be regarded as an Arab terrorist by the

2017
01:26:02,799 --> 01:25:58,880
nature of his origins how do we think of

2018
01:26:04,810 --> 01:26:02,809
him as a Manchurian Candidate well these

2019
01:26:07,029 --> 01:26:04,820
theories of sort of develop see most of

2020
01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:07,039
the sort of relatively recent last 50

2021
01:26:13,569 --> 01:26:10,070
years assassination type cases whether

2022
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:13,579
you know science an obviously Lee Harvey

2023
01:26:20,739 --> 01:26:17,449
Oswald etc etc I mean there are a few

2024
01:26:25,140 --> 01:26:20,749
weird things in relation to the whole

2025
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:25,150
issue you know of sands and for example

2026
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:28,650
at one point he was basically

2027
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:30,930
interviewed and questioned by a

2028
01:26:37,980 --> 01:26:34,090
psychiatrist based at UCLA named dr.

2029
01:26:40,230 --> 01:26:37,990
Bernard diamond and diamond actually

2030
01:26:44,490 --> 01:26:40,240
brought up certain entries that were

2031
01:26:46,980 --> 01:26:44,500
contained in sans notepads and he sort

2032
01:26:49,170 --> 01:26:46,990
of written time and time again in

2033
01:26:53,580 --> 01:26:49,180
capital letters no less mind control

2034
01:26:55,380 --> 01:26:53,590
mind control mind control and so you

2035
01:26:57,930 --> 01:26:55,390
have things like this you know was that

2036
01:27:01,050 --> 01:26:57,940
just some way for him to sort of have a

2037
01:27:03,390 --> 01:27:01,060
plausible means a defense you know

2038
01:27:05,010 --> 01:27:03,400
wasn't me I was hypnotized I mean some

2039
01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:05,020
people argued that but on the other hand

2040
01:27:09,690 --> 01:27:08,260
you could take the approach that this is

2041
01:27:11,850 --> 01:27:09,700
evidence of something that was sort of

2042
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:11,860
deeply buried in his mind and something

2043
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:15,010
that happened to him you know the whole

2044
01:27:20,820 --> 01:27:17,410
issue then came tumbling out and there's

2045
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:20,830
also this strange story the other lady

2046
01:27:23,670 --> 01:27:22,810
Ogden address yeah that's why I was

2047
01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:23,680
going to say the woman in the

2048
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:25,960
polka-dotted dress at the at the scene

2049
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:28,510
of the assassination one of the theories

2050
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:31,840
is that we these Manchurian candidates

2051
01:27:36,660 --> 01:27:34,510
they have to have like a trigger image

2052
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:36,670
or a trigger word or something like this

2053
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:39,010
to put them in that sort of hypnotized

2054
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:40,930
mode in other words you know they're not

2055
01:27:46,140 --> 01:27:42,910
constantly walking around like in a

2056
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:46,150
zombie type days but when they see the

2057
01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:47,920
trigger image or they hear the trigger

2058
01:27:54,780 --> 01:27:51,490
word their mind flips over to this

2059
01:27:56,510 --> 01:27:54,790
hypnotized robotic state and one of the

2060
01:27:59,460 --> 01:27:56,520
theories is that this polka-dotted

2061
01:28:02,910 --> 01:27:59,470
polka-dotted dressed woman at the

2062
01:28:05,070 --> 01:28:02,920
assassination the purse and the image of

2063
01:28:07,530 --> 01:28:05,080
the polka-dotted rests who was what put

2064
01:28:09,540 --> 01:28:07,540
him in essentially assassin mode and

2065
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:09,550
then when it was over you know his mind

2066
01:28:15,150 --> 01:28:11,770
began to clear it was what the hell just

2067
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:15,160
happened so you know it's an intriguing

2068
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:17,920
case and we've like with the Lennon

2069
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:21,040
assassination and like with the Kennedy

2070
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:24,010
JFK assassination you have all these

2071
01:28:29,190 --> 01:28:26,650
weird little strands and ties and links

2072
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:29,200
and the reason why I get suspicious and

2073
01:28:34,020 --> 01:28:31,600
suspect that we do have Manchurian

2074
01:28:35,850 --> 01:28:34,030
candidates is that if we didn't we

2075
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:35,860
simply wouldn't have all these odd

2076
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:38,410
strands and ties you know I mean if you

2077
01:28:42,990 --> 01:28:41,410
just a regular person who just decided

2078
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,000
to go out and do it because I didn't

2079
01:28:47,730 --> 01:28:45,520
like the person you wouldn't find odd

2080
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:47,740
and curious links to the CIA or the

2081
01:28:52,860 --> 01:28:50,110
Mafia or whoever it would just you know

2082
01:28:54,810 --> 01:28:52,870
if you were just me well he were to this

2083
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:54,820
store and you know took his kids to

2084
01:28:58,350 --> 01:28:57,010
church and whatever but we're not saying

2085
01:29:00,750 --> 01:28:58,360
that so that's what leads me to believe

2086
01:29:02,940 --> 01:29:00,760
there are Manchurian candidates not

2087
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:02,950
necessarily just what they do but the

2088
01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:04,690
people they're tied to and the strands

2089
01:29:10,170 --> 01:29:06,460
that we find when you go looking into

2090
01:29:12,090 --> 01:29:10,180
their backgrounds well this is also what

2091
01:29:14,370 --> 01:29:12,100
I wonder especially in the 60s because

2092
01:29:17,700 --> 01:29:14,380
we had the movie The Manchurian

2093
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:17,710
Candidate where this former soldier is

2094
01:29:26,970 --> 01:29:23,610
being given this shall we say series of

2095
01:29:31,380 --> 01:29:26,980
brainwashed sessions by an actor named

2096
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:31,390
Kai D who by the way played wolf fat on

2097
01:29:36,450 --> 01:29:34,290
the original of y5o and was also a

2098
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,460
co-producer of the Long John double

2099
01:29:41,490 --> 01:29:38,560
radio show what that's just background

2100
01:29:43,020 --> 01:29:41,500
information and he was not Korean it was

2101
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:43,030
not oriental I think he was born in

2102
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:45,310
Europe the key being here is we think of

2103
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:46,930
that where someone gets a telephone call

2104
01:29:53,340 --> 01:29:49,570
and someone says something and that's a

2105
01:29:55,290 --> 01:29:53,350
common theme used in a lot of movies but

2106
01:29:57,410 --> 01:29:55,300
is that really something that could have

2107
01:30:01,400 --> 01:29:57,420
happened or is it something that

2108
01:30:03,780 --> 01:30:01,410
satisfies people who can't accept the

2109
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:03,790
possibility that just one crazy person

2110
01:30:10,050 --> 01:30:07,690
did all this stuff well very good

2111
01:30:12,270 --> 01:30:10,060
question and I think you know it does

2112
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:12,280
satisfy people but just because it does

2113
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:15,730
satisfy people doesn't necessarily mean

2114
01:30:19,980 --> 01:30:17,650
it's wrong I mean I'll give you a

2115
01:30:21,930 --> 01:30:19,990
classic example let's do that example

2116
01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:21,940
our next segment let's hold the classic

2117
01:30:26,580 --> 01:30:24,400
example and we'll have it waiting for

2118
01:30:29,420 --> 01:30:26,590
you in our next segment with Nick

2119
01:30:36,690 --> 01:30:29,430
Redfern talking about secret history

2120
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:40,090
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and operated talk radio network the

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genesis communications network G C M hi

2123
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recent study it was found that 57

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million Americans had legal issues over

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you're listening to the podcast the

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Nick Redfern is with us and when he

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comes on it's just a great session of

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01:35:17,610 --> 01:35:15,550
fascinating information and you had an

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example to present in response to some

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01:35:23,670 --> 01:35:21,330
of my comments would you do the so now

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01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:23,680
whether people could actually be sort of

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01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:26,170
trained to be Manchurian candidates well

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01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:29,710
way back in 1942 which was close to a

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01:35:36,150 --> 01:35:33,280
decade before MKULTRA even started dr.

2233
01:35:38,010 --> 01:35:36,160
George Estabrooks who was the chair of

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01:35:41,250 --> 01:35:38,020
the Department of Psychology at Colgate

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01:35:43,170 --> 01:35:41,260
University said to quote him I can

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01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:43,180
hypnotize a man without his knowledge or

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01:35:48,689 --> 01:35:45,610
consent into committing treason against

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01:35:50,550 --> 01:35:48,699
the United States 200 trained foreign

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01:35:53,340 --> 01:35:50,560
operators working in the United States

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to develop a uniquely dangerous army of

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01:35:59,310 --> 01:35:56,020
hypnotically controlled six colonists

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01:36:01,880 --> 01:35:59,320
now Easterbrook's was no fool no idiot

2243
01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:01,890
and as I said he made that statement

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01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:05,710
seventy three years ago so for him to

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01:36:11,540 --> 01:36:08,710
say and he could turn anyone against

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01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:11,550
their own country and he recognized how

2247
01:36:15,660 --> 01:36:13,690
as he called them hypnotically

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01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:15,670
controlled six colonists could

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01:36:21,090 --> 01:36:18,730
essentially wreak havoc it isn't much of

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01:36:23,010 --> 01:36:21,100
a leap to suggest now you have an entire

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01:36:25,020 --> 01:36:23,020
dangerous army as he called it

2252
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:25,030
well actually programming one person

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01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:27,280
rather than an entire army might not be

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01:36:32,010 --> 01:36:29,290
that difficult at all you know I think

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01:36:33,959 --> 01:36:32,020
we well I know we're not still fully

2256
01:36:36,180 --> 01:36:33,969
sure of the entire scope of all the

2257
01:36:38,670 --> 01:36:36,190
MKULTRA programs because when in the mid

2258
01:36:41,459 --> 01:36:38,680
70s the whole thing started to come

2259
01:36:43,650 --> 01:36:41,469
tumbling out Richard Helms there was the

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01:36:46,020 --> 01:36:43,660
direct to the CIA the time ordered all

2261
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:46,030
the MK ULTRA files burned now a lot of

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01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:47,650
them survived the destruction order

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01:36:53,010 --> 01:36:50,320
because Laura was sort of contracted out

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01:36:54,890 --> 01:36:53,020
to private contractors so wasn't like

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01:36:57,540 --> 01:36:54,900
everything was held at CIA headquarters

2266
01:37:00,420 --> 01:36:57,550
but certainly massive amounts of the

2267
01:37:03,420 --> 01:37:00,430
early MK ULTRA files I mean literally

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01:37:06,150 --> 01:37:03,430
tens and tens of thousands of pages with

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01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:06,160
dispatch to the furnace and so certain

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01:37:09,689 --> 01:37:07,570
portions probably some of the more

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01:37:11,970 --> 01:37:09,699
controversial ones we'll never really

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01:37:13,979 --> 01:37:11,980
know the answer to I guess well there

2273
01:37:17,220 --> 01:37:13,989
were also stories from the late forties

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01:37:19,870 --> 01:37:17,230
of Andreya podge developing transmitters

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01:37:22,540 --> 01:37:19,880
that were put in in fake

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01:37:25,900 --> 01:37:22,550
teeth and then implanted in the mouths

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01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:25,910
of unwitting subjects and there was some

2278
01:37:32,140 --> 01:37:29,090
question of some of the motivations of

2279
01:37:34,210 --> 01:37:32,150
the sidney gottlieb um you know at the

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01:37:37,390 --> 01:37:34,220
army chemical Court Fort Dietrich and

2281
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:37,400
Pugh Herrick and others whose names pop

2282
01:37:43,420 --> 01:37:41,570
up in the strangest places he was

2283
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:43,430
someone who you know he was looking into

2284
01:37:48,460 --> 01:37:45,410
all sorts of things sort of psychedelics

2285
01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:48,470
and UFOs and mind-control my

2286
01:37:58,120 --> 01:37:54,920
manipulation when the nine actually got

2287
01:38:00,220 --> 01:37:58,130
some of these not a massive amount but a

2288
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:00,230
number of official files on him through

2289
01:38:03,820 --> 01:38:01,730
the freedom information act you know

2290
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:03,830
talks all about his work with the

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01:38:08,590 --> 01:38:05,840
chemical Department people in the

2292
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:08,600
military in the army and how various

2293
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:10,610
military personnel are being out to

2294
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:12,890
visit him at ease Glencoe where he

2295
01:38:17,170 --> 01:38:15,530
worked and talking all and discussing

2296
01:38:20,380 --> 01:38:17,180
all these different concepts and ideas

2297
01:38:23,740 --> 01:38:20,390
and even things like you know he's his

2298
01:38:25,750 --> 01:38:23,750
thoughts on reincarnation and how

2299
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:25,760
possibly psychedelics could literally

2300
01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:27,770
give you a glimpse into the distant past

2301
01:38:32,650 --> 01:38:30,080
and things like that so you know he's a

2302
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:32,660
fascinating guy and if you look at all

2303
01:38:37,050 --> 01:38:35,450
the early MKULTRA stuff you know people

2304
01:38:39,490 --> 01:38:37,060
think it was all about hypnosis and

2305
01:38:42,130 --> 01:38:39,500
training assassins he wasn't they were

2306
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:42,140
actually looking at things everything

2307
01:38:49,810 --> 01:38:47,840
from LSD mescaline sacred mushroom the

2308
01:38:51,670 --> 01:38:49,820
whole thing they were looking at the way

2309
01:38:55,090 --> 01:38:51,680
in which the human mind could be altered

2310
01:38:56,830 --> 01:38:55,100
radically from a whole wide range of

2311
01:38:59,500 --> 01:38:56,840
disciplines never mind just sort of

2312
01:39:01,380 --> 01:38:59,510
synthesize chemical stimulants or

2313
01:39:03,580 --> 01:39:01,390
whatever but as I said you know

2314
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:03,590
psychedelics from the South American

2315
01:39:13,630 --> 01:39:06,320
jungle or from Mexico or whatever you

2316
01:39:15,370 --> 01:39:13,640
know pay out peyote everything that

2317
01:39:18,430 --> 01:39:15,380
remember the movie Jacob's Ladder with

2318
01:39:20,110 --> 01:39:18,440
Tim Robbins where you know there's

2319
01:39:22,350 --> 01:39:20,120
stories that have surfaced over the

2320
01:39:25,900 --> 01:39:22,360
years that certain types of

2321
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:25,910
mind-altering chemicals were devised and

2322
01:39:30,850 --> 01:39:28,130
intested unwittingly on US troops in

2323
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:30,860
Vietnam and and of course that movie

2324
01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:32,850
kind of takes that theme and in

2325
01:39:36,380 --> 01:39:34,530
you know a fictional run with it but

2326
01:39:39,770 --> 01:39:36,390
it's not out of the realm of reason

2327
01:39:41,450 --> 01:39:39,780
based on my fairly extensive research

2328
01:39:43,370 --> 01:39:41,460
into all these subjects and that's why

2329
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:43,380
your book fascinates me because you

2330
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:45,690
really do a good job of taking some of

2331
01:39:49,970 --> 01:39:47,970
the lesser-known conspiracy there is an

2332
01:39:52,010 --> 01:39:49,980
in-app section of the book and hen

2333
01:39:53,630 --> 01:39:52,020
really exposing some buzz some good

2334
01:39:55,190 --> 01:39:53,640
research that you've done and some real

2335
01:39:57,380 --> 01:39:55,200
good digging that you've done the

2336
01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:57,390
Marilyn Monroe informations is very

2337
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,170
interesting to me

2338
01:40:02,900 --> 01:40:00,480
I remember seeing your talk at the

2339
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:02,910
paradigm symposium just shaking my head

2340
01:40:08,420 --> 01:40:05,490
going wow I had no idea you know there's

2341
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:08,430
some pretty wild stuff you know and it

2342
01:40:12,980 --> 01:40:10,170
all seems to have this weird kind of

2343
01:40:15,650 --> 01:40:12,990
undercurrent of connect connectivity the

2344
01:40:19,550 --> 01:40:15,660
same names keep coming up the same types

2345
01:40:22,910 --> 01:40:19,560
of details tend to dovetail with one

2346
01:40:24,770 --> 01:40:22,920
another and and it's really hard not to

2347
01:40:27,770 --> 01:40:24,780
look over your shoulder and think that

2348
01:40:30,130 --> 01:40:27,780
wow there really does appear to be an

2349
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:30,140
underlying cabal that's sort of

2350
01:40:36,170 --> 01:40:33,330
manipulating the puppet strings as a

2351
01:40:38,780 --> 01:40:36,180
word well I think the one issue that

2352
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,790
event a also that is people written

2353
01:40:42,020 --> 01:40:40,560
about it you know article here an

2354
01:40:43,580 --> 01:40:42,030
article there but it's not I think it

2355
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:43,590
really would benefit well I know it

2356
01:40:48,380 --> 01:40:44,850
would benefit from like a full-length

2357
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:48,390
book is the MKULTRA connection to the

2358
01:40:53,150 --> 01:40:51,690
whole UFO issue now I mean John look

2359
01:40:55,070 --> 01:40:53,160
they don't know this John Fuller who

2360
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:55,080
wrote the interrupted journey you know

2361
01:40:58,520 --> 01:40:56,970
the book on the Betty and Barney Hill

2362
01:41:01,220 --> 01:40:58,530
case that really kicked off the whole

2363
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:01,230
abduction scenario John fall it was

2364
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:04,560
heavily interested in the MKULTRA story

2365
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:07,650
actually met in the mid fifties some of

2366
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:09,450
the scientists who were contracted out

2367
01:41:16,190 --> 01:41:13,050
to do work on MKULTRA was fascinated by

2368
01:41:17,930 --> 01:41:16,200
it and then in 1970s he wrote this book

2369
01:41:21,260 --> 01:41:17,940
called the day of sins and his fire

2370
01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:21,270
which was about an outbreak of what was

2371
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:24,750
thought to be got poisoning environments

2372
01:41:29,660 --> 01:41:27,840
in France where literally the list

2373
01:41:31,970 --> 01:41:29,670
little village the people will be came

2374
01:41:33,980 --> 01:41:31,980
on deranged you know like something that

2375
01:41:36,350 --> 01:41:33,990
is straight out of 28 days later because

2376
01:41:39,170 --> 01:41:36,360
you know their minds were poisoned by

2377
01:41:41,780 --> 01:41:39,180
what was believed to be her gut but all

2378
01:41:43,850 --> 01:41:41,790
the time more and more data come forward

2379
01:41:44,890 --> 01:41:43,860
to suggest this may have been some sort

2380
01:41:52,780 --> 01:41:44,900
of

2381
01:41:55,419 --> 01:41:52,790
it's interesting that fuller had an

2382
01:41:57,010 --> 01:41:55,429
interest in MKULTRA way back to the

2383
01:41:59,979 --> 01:41:57,020
fifties met some of the guys

2384
01:42:02,590 --> 01:41:59,989
then suddenly wrote a book about this

2385
01:42:05,110 --> 01:42:02,600
case that actually years later became

2386
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:05,120
suspected of being connected to MKULTRA

2387
01:42:09,490 --> 01:42:07,489
and of course you have the theory that

2388
01:42:11,050 --> 01:42:09,500
the beti of bar Neal case could have

2389
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:11,060
been like an MKULTRA off

2390
01:42:17,890 --> 01:42:14,510
you know some sort of attempt to sort of

2391
01:42:20,860 --> 01:42:17,900
promote the idea of aliens and you know

2392
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:20,870
fabricate a UFO incidents so there are a

2393
01:42:24,970 --> 01:42:22,730
number of cases that fall into that

2394
01:42:27,939 --> 01:42:24,980
particular category that I think could

2395
01:42:29,490 --> 01:42:27,949
benefit from a sort of a renewed look

2396
01:42:32,169 --> 01:42:29,500
but from a very different perspective

2397
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:32,179
well yeah and look at the cultural mean

2398
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:35,090
that was unleashed by that case yeah

2399
01:42:39,790 --> 01:42:37,760
pretty amazing yeah and I mean you can

2400
01:42:41,740 --> 01:42:39,800
find things like that throughout a

2401
01:42:45,180 --> 01:42:41,750
number of cases I mean the the

2402
01:42:46,630 --> 01:42:45,190
Pascagoula case 1973 Hickson and Parker

2403
01:42:48,700 --> 01:42:46,640
Charlie Higson

2404
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:48,710
and Calvin Parker as a classic of

2405
01:42:53,919 --> 01:42:51,290
ufology but they were taking on the

2406
01:42:55,810 --> 01:42:53,929
Mississippi River well literally just a

2407
01:42:58,450 --> 01:42:55,820
little while of the Mississippi River

2408
01:43:01,360 --> 01:42:58,460
like eight miles from where they were

2409
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:01,370
abducted back in from the 50s onwards

2410
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:04,400
the military was testing BZ which is a

2411
01:43:09,790 --> 01:43:07,489
highly powerful hallucinogenic testing

2412
01:43:12,370 --> 01:43:09,800
it right in the very area where they

2413
01:43:14,530 --> 01:43:12,380
were supposedly abducted by aliens you

2414
01:43:17,050 --> 01:43:14,540
know they saw this strange light coming

2415
01:43:19,899 --> 01:43:17,060
across the river they felt weird and

2416
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:19,909
then these figures you know seem to be

2417
01:43:23,950 --> 01:43:22,250
in suits or padded or whatever you know

2418
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:23,960
they look strange grabbed hold of them

2419
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:26,570
well could it have been a helicopter

2420
01:43:31,689 --> 01:43:28,880
releasing an aerosol hallucinogen and

2421
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:31,699
then to come on board and fabricated a

2422
01:43:35,050 --> 01:43:34,310
situation maybe that's what happened

2423
01:43:36,610 --> 01:43:35,060
mm-hmm

2424
01:43:38,260 --> 01:43:36,620
well you mentioned earlier about Walt

2425
01:43:40,060 --> 01:43:38,270
Disney in the CIA why don't you give us

2426
01:43:41,790 --> 01:43:40,070
a synopsis on that a a lot of

2427
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:41,800
people weren't aware of that connection

2428
01:43:47,020 --> 01:43:44,239
well yeah this is an interesting story

2429
01:43:48,939 --> 01:43:47,030
it relates to the CIA's robertson

2430
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:48,949
colonel which was set up in the early

2431
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:51,650
fifties now the early fifties in terms

2432
01:43:56,649 --> 01:43:55,040
of UFO research and investigations as an

2433
01:43:58,450 --> 01:43:56,659
official level was interesting because

2434
01:44:00,640 --> 01:43:58,460
you got a lot of people doing

2435
01:44:02,770 --> 01:44:00,650
different things for example you know

2436
01:44:05,950 --> 01:44:02,780
the Air Force had project sign project

2437
01:44:07,780 --> 01:44:05,960
grudge and Blue Book and depending on

2438
01:44:10,090 --> 01:44:07,790
the area had some people who believed

2439
01:44:13,090 --> 01:44:10,100
well are we dealing with the Russians or

2440
01:44:14,230 --> 01:44:13,100
is it German craft others thoughts some

2441
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:14,240
people in these groups thought it was

2442
01:44:18,730 --> 01:44:16,730
legitimately extraterrestrial for

2443
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:18,740
example in one of the old grudge reports

2444
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:22,010
there's an entire document that talks

2445
01:44:25,090 --> 01:44:23,330
about how the weather bureau had

2446
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:25,100
prepared a report for the air force

2447
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:27,170
talking about the ball lightning angle

2448
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:29,930
then over the years different theories

2449
01:44:33,220 --> 01:44:32,090
of service plasmas and diminished

2450
01:44:34,990 --> 01:44:33,230
british military defense but had a

2451
01:44:37,470 --> 01:44:35,000
lengthy report saying they were plasmas

2452
01:44:40,180 --> 01:44:37,480
in other words what you have is a lot of

2453
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:40,190
agencies looking into aspects of the UFO

2454
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:42,530
phenomenon for varying reasons and the

2455
01:44:47,140 --> 01:44:44,810
Robertson panel which was set up by the

2456
01:44:49,420 --> 01:44:47,150
CIA wasn't contrary to what a lot of

2457
01:44:52,990 --> 01:44:49,430
people believe designed to investigate

2458
01:44:56,260 --> 01:44:53,000
UFOs the Robertson panel was concerned

2459
01:44:59,860 --> 01:44:56,270
about the means by which unfriendly

2460
01:45:01,870 --> 01:44:59,870
nations could exploit the UFO phenomenon

2461
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:01,880
when it really existed or not and the

2462
01:45:06,130 --> 01:45:04,010
robertson panel's files talk about how

2463
01:45:09,310 --> 01:45:06,140
there were concerns that the russians

2464
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:09,320
would spread bogus UFO stories all

2465
01:45:13,210 --> 01:45:11,210
across the u.s. over the airwaves and

2466
01:45:15,700 --> 01:45:13,220
plunge the country into a state of

2467
01:45:18,430 --> 01:45:15,710
hysteria let's do our break here

2468
01:45:20,770 --> 01:45:18,440
otherwise we'll all be hysterical with

2469
01:45:26,979 --> 01:45:20,780
gene and Chris and Nick Redfern you're

2470
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:30,770
great minds think alike the network for

2471
01:45:38,419 --> 01:45:33,330
the independent-minded the genesis

2472
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communications network G C and this is

2473
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Dan pillar do you owe the IRS money you

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can't pay our tax that's crippling you

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there's no such thing as a hopeless case

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still drinking unfiltered tap water does

2487
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your water contain chlorine or fluoride

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well yeah drinkable water in an

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2500
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eighty six three six five three that's

2501
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:36,090
eight seven seven eighty six three six

2502
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:40,859
honey it's time for dinner

2503
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:42,250
what are you doing over there on your

2504
01:46:47,189 --> 01:46:44,290
computer I'm shopping for a new wallet

2505
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:47,199
mine is falling apart hey did you know

2506
01:46:50,970 --> 01:46:49,330
there's a company called ID stronghold

2507
01:46:52,740 --> 01:46:50,980
that makes shielded wallets to prevent

2508
01:46:53,879 --> 01:46:52,750
electronic pickpocketing well I didn't

2509
01:46:56,370 --> 01:46:53,889
realize there was such a thing as

2510
01:46:58,290 --> 01:46:56,380
electronic pickpocketing what is that

2511
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:58,300
well apparently many of the new credit

2512
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:00,159
and debit cards being issued have radio

2513
01:47:04,649 --> 01:47:02,770
chips inside them called RFID the

2514
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:04,659
transmitter banking information to card

2515
01:47:08,700 --> 01:47:07,090
readers when we pay unfortunately a bad

2516
01:47:10,649 --> 01:47:08,710
guy can also get one of these readers

2517
01:47:12,419 --> 01:47:10,659
and go around the city scanning people

2518
01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:12,429
collecting their credit card numbers and

2519
01:47:17,070 --> 01:47:14,170
personal information without us knowing

2520
01:47:18,689 --> 01:47:17,080
it wow that sounds scary since you're

2521
01:47:20,700 --> 01:47:18,699
getting a new wallet anyway you should

2522
01:47:22,890 --> 01:47:20,710
definitely get an ID stronghold shielded

2523
01:47:24,899 --> 01:47:22,900
wallet are they more expensive no in

2524
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:24,909
fact I can get a shielded leather wallet

2525
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:27,010
from ID stronghold calm for the same

2526
01:47:31,589 --> 01:47:28,960
price or less than regular unshielded

2527
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:31,599
wallets from other stores sounds great

2528
01:47:34,919 --> 01:47:33,520
my wallet isn't falling apart yet but

2529
01:47:36,450 --> 01:47:34,929
let me pick one out to I want to be

2530
01:47:41,410 --> 01:47:36,460
protected and these wallets ID

2531
01:47:41,420 --> 01:47:45,620
[Applause]

2532
01:47:53,660 --> 01:47:49,350
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2533
01:48:01,890 --> 01:47:53,670
standard of paranormal radio and now

2534
01:48:04,400 --> 01:48:01,900
here's Jane Steinberg we have Nick

2535
01:48:07,230 --> 01:48:04,410
Redfern in the middle of a long answer

2536
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:07,240
response here as we continue our

2537
01:48:13,260 --> 01:48:10,000
discussion of secret history routine and

2538
01:48:15,210 --> 01:48:13,270
Chris Nick yeah as I said one of the big

2539
01:48:18,030 --> 01:48:15,220
concerns of the Robertson panel was that

2540
01:48:20,970 --> 01:48:18,040
people like the Soviets would instill

2541
01:48:23,550 --> 01:48:20,980
hysteria by spreading fake UFO stories

2542
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:23,560
clogging the air channels possibly

2543
01:48:27,660 --> 01:48:25,930
clogging the emergency services which

2544
01:48:29,250 --> 01:48:27,670
they feared could be the overall goal

2545
01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:29,260
and you know launch a sneak attack

2546
01:48:34,860 --> 01:48:32,110
and this Robison Colonel felt that the

2547
01:48:37,500 --> 01:48:34,870
best way to try and combat this would be

2548
01:48:40,260 --> 01:48:37,510
to demystify the mystery and the

2549
01:48:42,090 --> 01:48:40,270
intrigue surrounding UFOs now you can

2550
01:48:43,620 --> 01:48:42,100
make a very strong case that this was

2551
01:48:45,300 --> 01:48:43,630
done for two reasons one could have been

2552
01:48:47,010 --> 01:48:45,310
that there were certain people on the

2553
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:47,020
Robertson panel who knew UFOs are real

2554
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:49,360
and they wanted to do their utmost to

2555
01:48:55,140 --> 01:48:51,250
convince people they weren't real the

2556
01:48:57,570 --> 01:48:55,150
other angle was supposedly to inform and

2557
01:48:59,250 --> 01:48:57,580
educate people on what UFOs might really

2558
01:49:01,620 --> 01:48:59,260
be you know from their perspective at

2559
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:01,630
least like meteorites things re-entering

2560
01:49:06,810 --> 01:49:03,520
the atmosphere aircraft landing lights

2561
01:49:08,670 --> 01:49:06,820
or whatever and so one of the ideas that

2562
01:49:11,100 --> 01:49:08,680
was actually never he didn't actually go

2563
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:11,110
through but there are indications that

2564
01:49:15,900 --> 01:49:12,610
it was discussed at a very deep level

2565
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:15,910
was the idea of commissioning the Walt

2566
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:19,090
Disney Corporation to make a sense like

2567
01:49:24,710 --> 01:49:21,610
cartoons that could be shown at theaters

2568
01:49:27,390 --> 01:49:24,720
and cinemas etc possibly even on TV and

2569
01:49:31,130 --> 01:49:27,400
present the general public with sort of

2570
01:49:34,020 --> 01:49:31,140
information based cartoons and movies

2571
01:49:36,780 --> 01:49:34,030
demystifying the entire UFO mystery and

2572
01:49:38,700 --> 01:49:36,790
China laid to rest so that the Soviets

2573
01:49:41,460 --> 01:49:38,710
wouldn't be able to exploit it you know

2574
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:41,470
provoke US history or whatever there

2575
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:43,210
actually were meetings with people from

2576
01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:45,760
the Disney Corporation and discussions

2577
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:48,130
of how they might go about doing this

2578
01:49:53,310 --> 01:49:50,770
and what will be required of them just

2579
01:49:56,220 --> 01:49:53,320
looking at the ways in which to alter

2580
01:49:56,940 --> 01:49:56,230
the public's mindset so it demonstrates

2581
01:49:59,430 --> 01:49:56,950
how

2582
01:50:01,770 --> 01:49:59,440
two famous bodies you would never

2583
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:01,780
imagine could come together the CIA and

2584
01:50:06,090 --> 01:50:03,610
Walt Disney actually did come together

2585
01:50:08,580 --> 01:50:06,100
on one of the world's most weirdest

2586
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:08,590
subjects UFOs and obviously behind the

2587
01:50:15,090 --> 01:50:11,770
scenes not publicly he does demonstrate

2588
01:50:16,890 --> 01:50:15,100
sort of the the sheer level of sort of

2589
01:50:19,230 --> 01:50:16,900
conspiratorial based stories and how

2590
01:50:21,450 --> 01:50:19,240
weird genuinely weird they can get at

2591
01:50:23,550 --> 01:50:21,460
times oh you might actually have Bugs

2592
01:50:25,190 --> 01:50:23,560
Bunny you know sort of telling you don't

2593
01:50:27,870 --> 01:50:25,200
worry there aren't any aliens you know

2594
01:50:29,820 --> 01:50:27,880
wait well there's also the conspiracy

2595
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:29,830
theories about his movie Snow White in

2596
01:50:35,130 --> 01:50:32,050
the Seven Dwarves how it's all these

2597
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:35,140
subliminal signals about the drug

2598
01:50:40,500 --> 01:50:37,920
culture emerging drug culture and stuff

2599
01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:40,510
it gets pretty wild when you start

2600
01:50:45,540 --> 01:50:43,600
digging into kind of people's conspiracy

2601
01:50:47,850 --> 01:50:45,550
theorist analysis of some of Disney's

2602
01:50:50,580 --> 01:50:47,860
work Chris why don't you define that

2603
01:50:53,070 --> 01:50:50,590
more how would you think it's no white

2604
01:50:54,390 --> 01:50:53,080
would indicate the names of the dwarves

2605
01:50:57,810 --> 01:50:54,400
you know I read a very interesting

2606
01:51:01,560 --> 01:50:57,820
article that related the some of the

2607
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:01,570
symbology and in the movie - no hinting

2608
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:05,290
around at the efficacy of drug use as a

2609
01:51:10,860 --> 01:51:08,050
way possibly to control culture or

2610
01:51:13,740 --> 01:51:10,870
program culture program kids you know

2611
01:51:14,940 --> 01:51:13,750
it's memory kind of lose me on a lot of

2612
01:51:16,620 --> 01:51:14,950
the details but I remember I was very

2613
01:51:18,930 --> 01:51:16,630
impressed with the analysis and made me

2614
01:51:21,150 --> 01:51:18,940
scratch my head and kind of go hmm it's

2615
01:51:24,240 --> 01:51:21,160
pretty interesting you know Walt Disney

2616
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:24,250
did have a house in Sedona for quite a

2617
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:25,840
number of years so maybe it rubbed off

2618
01:51:31,650 --> 01:51:28,050
on him here maybe he was secretly a

2619
01:51:33,780 --> 01:51:31,660
new-age kind of guy and was some things

2620
01:51:35,190 --> 01:51:33,790
that wasn't publicly acknowledged who

2621
01:51:37,530 --> 01:51:35,200
knows I always thought he was kind of

2622
01:51:39,810 --> 01:51:37,540
Republican sort of right-wing myself but

2623
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:39,820
I don't know you know you start digging

2624
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:42,010
the more you dig the more dirty uncover

2625
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:43,930
and Nick's a good one he's got quite

2626
01:51:50,250 --> 01:51:47,050
quite a toolbox full of digging tools

2627
01:51:52,650 --> 01:51:50,260
and shovels and picks and in occasional

2628
01:51:54,690 --> 01:51:52,660
sticks of dynamite well with Walt Disney

2629
01:51:57,990 --> 01:51:54,700
his impression if you watched him on

2630
01:52:01,650 --> 01:51:58,000
that ABC TV show was a very conservative

2631
01:52:05,010 --> 01:52:01,660
sort of gentleman sure know what dopey

2632
01:52:08,370 --> 01:52:05,020
sleepy grumpy they're all kind of states

2633
01:52:10,649 --> 01:52:08,380
of sort of post drug use

2634
01:52:13,379 --> 01:52:10,659
I don't know sort of behave

2635
01:52:16,529 --> 01:52:13,389
but ours isn't that kind of forcing it

2636
01:52:18,750 --> 01:52:16,539
though yeah I think on the surface but

2637
01:52:20,129 --> 01:52:18,760
if you don't have to dig that article up

2638
01:52:21,989 --> 01:52:20,139
and see if I can find it and post it on

2639
01:52:26,669 --> 01:52:21,999
our forums at forum dr. Barrett cast

2640
01:52:29,159 --> 01:52:26,679
comm it is very very interesting as is

2641
01:52:32,370 --> 01:52:29,169
the whole Laurel Canyon conspiracy about

2642
01:52:34,469 --> 01:52:32,380
how a lot of the major rock stars and

2643
01:52:37,140 --> 01:52:34,479
counterculture figures of the 60s all

2644
01:52:40,549 --> 01:52:37,150
were military brats and intelligence

2645
01:52:44,189 --> 01:52:40,559
agency brats Frank Zappa Jim Morrison

2646
01:52:47,580 --> 01:52:44,199
Stephen Stills you know the list goes on

2647
01:52:51,239 --> 01:52:47,590
and on and on of these these individuals

2648
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:51,249
who had deep family connections to you

2649
01:52:56,609 --> 01:52:53,530
know high-ranking military positions and

2650
01:52:59,489 --> 01:52:56,619
and also government and intelligence

2651
01:53:00,750 --> 01:52:59,499
agency connections it's pretty

2652
01:53:02,879 --> 01:53:00,760
interesting when you really start

2653
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:02,889
digging around you know if the way the

2654
01:53:07,409 --> 01:53:06,010
culture is very subtly I think in some

2655
01:53:11,969 --> 01:53:07,419
ways but but I think directly

2656
01:53:15,379 --> 01:53:11,979
manipulated and and programmed by you

2657
01:53:18,509 --> 01:53:15,389
know some sort of conditioning agenda

2658
01:53:20,279 --> 01:53:18,519
I'm pretty convinced that that there is

2659
01:53:22,109 --> 01:53:20,289
some truth to that and I think you know

2660
01:53:23,909 --> 01:53:22,119
reading reading through Nick's book it's

2661
01:53:27,659 --> 01:53:23,919
hard not to get the sense that there is

2662
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:27,669
there is some sort of shadowy agenda

2663
01:53:32,850 --> 01:53:31,090
that's been formulated and enacted very

2664
01:53:34,739 --> 01:53:32,860
slowly over many decades and we're

2665
01:53:37,409 --> 01:53:34,749
seeing the results of that today I think

2666
01:53:40,350 --> 01:53:37,419
as we started out talking about you know

2667
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:40,360
the surveillance situation Edward

2668
01:53:45,239 --> 01:53:42,610
Snowden's revelations which Nick covers

2669
01:53:48,540 --> 01:53:45,249
in his book somewhat and just the whole

2670
01:53:50,399 --> 01:53:48,550
idea that you know we're slowly starting

2671
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:50,409
to see you know a complete sort of

2672
01:53:54,799 --> 01:53:52,719
fascist clamp down with the

2673
01:53:58,080 --> 01:53:54,809
militarization of our police forces and

2674
01:54:00,239 --> 01:53:58,090
you know this whole idea of the United

2675
01:54:08,489 --> 01:54:00,249
States know being the world's cop and we

2676
01:54:11,310 --> 01:54:08,499
have bases in 102 go down that kind of

2677
01:54:14,549 --> 01:54:11,320
dark alley of speculation when it comes

2678
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:14,559
to trying to identify these these

2679
01:54:18,359 --> 01:54:16,449
shadowy forces that are that appear to

2680
01:54:21,209 --> 01:54:18,369
be at work and I think Nick's very

2681
01:54:22,379 --> 01:54:21,219
careful not to really go too far down

2682
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:22,389
that road but I

2683
01:54:28,890 --> 01:54:24,010
that would be surprised if he didn't

2684
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:28,900
share some of my suspicions I think what

2685
01:54:33,180 --> 01:54:30,730
I always try and do is put out what I

2686
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:33,190
know for sure you know I mean there's

2687
01:54:37,379 --> 01:54:34,810
nothing wrong with speculating but

2688
01:54:39,479 --> 01:54:37,389
speculate in providing you know you've

2689
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:39,489
got something solid to go on so I prefer

2690
01:54:44,250 --> 01:54:41,920
to sort of relight what I know for sure

2691
01:54:47,340 --> 01:54:44,260
and then if I'm going to speculate make

2692
01:54:50,030 --> 01:54:47,350
sure that people fully understand 100%

2693
01:54:52,939 --> 01:54:50,040
that it's speculating right rather then

2694
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:52,949
wrapping something I mean some gigantic

2695
01:54:56,340 --> 01:54:55,090
conspiracy and paper leg nacelle where's

2696
01:54:58,290 --> 01:54:56,350
the evidence of this way the evidence

2697
01:55:00,209 --> 01:54:58,300
for that there's nothing wrong with

2698
01:55:02,340 --> 01:55:00,219
doing that providing you let the Raider

2699
01:55:03,780 --> 01:55:02,350
know the difference between what you

2700
01:55:05,459 --> 01:55:03,790
know for sure reverse is what you

2701
01:55:07,470 --> 01:55:05,469
suspect yeah I think I think that's a

2702
01:55:09,660 --> 01:55:07,480
particularly important way to approach

2703
01:55:12,209 --> 01:55:09,670
things when you deal with something so

2704
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:12,219
inflammatory as conspiracy theories

2705
01:55:16,919 --> 01:55:14,010
which you do a very good job of

2706
01:55:19,260 --> 01:55:16,929
presenting you're one of the people I

2707
01:55:22,229 --> 01:55:19,270
admire the most in terms of your ability

2708
01:55:25,919 --> 01:55:22,239
to to somehow magically dig up some

2709
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:25,929
pretty bombshell documents an example of

2710
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:27,610
which would be some of the documents

2711
01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:29,170
that you supplied me with and when I was

2712
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:32,290
writing stalking the heard about the US

2713
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:34,960
government's concerned that the Russians

2714
01:55:40,470 --> 01:55:37,840
could possibly target cattle in this

2715
01:55:42,419 --> 01:55:40,480
country and and compromised the food

2716
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:42,429
chain and this was back in the 40s and

2717
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:45,130
early 50s and in that that blew my mind

2718
01:55:49,260 --> 01:55:47,199
I was very very impressed with that

2719
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:49,270
information and tried to integrate it

2720
01:55:54,300 --> 01:55:52,000
somewhat into the chapter that it fit in

2721
01:55:56,370 --> 01:55:54,310
it was just very eye-opening to me and

2722
01:55:59,280 --> 01:55:56,380
and of course you know who else would

2723
01:56:02,580 --> 01:55:59,290
come up with was such a bombshell set of

2724
01:56:04,020 --> 01:56:02,590
documents but our guest today I must say

2725
01:56:05,580 --> 01:56:04,030
I have to kind of publicly thank you

2726
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:05,590
again for that because that was really

2727
01:56:11,609 --> 01:56:09,520
an eye-opener to me those doctors I

2728
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:11,619
found those at the National Archives a

2729
01:56:16,020 --> 01:56:13,570
few years ago well probably more than a

2730
01:56:18,600 --> 01:56:16,030
decade ago now yeah they're fascinating

2731
01:56:20,430 --> 01:56:18,610
files that have extensive files talking

2732
01:56:23,399 --> 01:56:20,440
about other research and development

2733
01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:23,409
board and various high standing figures

2734
01:56:27,810 --> 01:56:25,840
on fan of our Bush who reportedly was

2735
01:56:29,030 --> 01:56:27,820
linked in um the whole um UFO issue as

2736
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:29,040
well

2737
01:56:35,310 --> 01:56:32,290
deeply worried the hostile nations like

2738
01:56:36,209 --> 01:56:35,320
the Russians could basically unleash

2739
01:56:39,359 --> 01:56:36,219
like a fire

2740
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:39,369
disease and decimate the entire US

2741
01:56:45,330 --> 01:56:41,650
cattle herd I mean that was like a major

2742
01:56:47,939 --> 01:56:45,340
concern and so clans were sort of

2743
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:47,949
initiated to monitor the cattle herd and

2744
01:56:53,069 --> 01:56:50,650
look out for emerging viruses and

2745
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:53,079
diseases and try and figure out was it

2746
01:56:59,040 --> 01:56:55,210
just some random act in mother nature or

2747
01:57:00,689 --> 01:56:59,050
was it something more sinister and why I

2748
01:57:03,330 --> 01:57:00,699
think these files are intriguing in

2749
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:03,340
importance is because because I

2750
01:57:07,049 --> 01:57:04,960
mentioned cattle mutilations in the book

2751
01:57:11,790 --> 01:57:07,059
well I think these files are importance

2752
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:11,800
is because they potentially offer a bit

2753
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:15,130
of insight as to how years later sort of

2754
01:57:21,450 --> 01:57:17,530
a cattle mutilation program or

2755
01:57:23,250 --> 01:57:21,460
monitoring program might begin let's

2756
01:57:25,319 --> 01:57:23,260
break it here Nick and we'll pick up on

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01:57:28,379 --> 01:57:25,329
that with Nick Redfern and gene and

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Chris on the subject now of cattle

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cattle mutilations were on that

2857
02:02:08,799 --> 02:02:05,869
questionable subject Nick Redfern let's

2858
02:02:10,330 --> 02:02:08,809
continue the cattle mutilation chaps

2859
02:02:13,299 --> 02:02:10,340
have got in the book deals with the

2860
02:02:14,919 --> 02:02:13,309
FBI's Declassified files on the subjects

2861
02:02:17,379 --> 02:02:14,929
which are really interesting and they

2862
02:02:20,229 --> 02:02:17,389
talk about a lot of the cases that the

2863
02:02:22,089 --> 02:02:20,239
FBI received were from the New Mexico

2864
02:02:23,890 --> 02:02:22,099
State Police specifically from Gabriel

2865
02:02:27,279 --> 02:02:23,900
gars a name that a lot of people

2866
02:02:30,609 --> 02:02:27,289
interested in UFOs will know many of his

2867
02:02:33,310 --> 02:02:30,619
files on really intriguing cases from

2868
02:02:36,189 --> 02:02:33,320
the Dulce area of New Mexico in 76 reach

2869
02:02:38,049 --> 02:02:36,199
the FBI and you can tell from studying

2870
02:02:39,370 --> 02:02:38,059
the files that they were pretty

2871
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:39,380
impressed and thought wow something

2872
02:02:45,299 --> 02:02:41,690
strange is going on so I don't think the

2873
02:02:48,009 --> 02:02:45,309
FBI was a part at all any part of like a

2874
02:02:50,439 --> 02:02:48,019
you know a player in the cattle use they

2875
02:02:52,479 --> 02:02:50,449
were genuinely intrigued and wanted to

2876
02:02:55,180 --> 02:02:52,489
know what was going on now ultimately

2877
02:02:57,339 --> 02:02:55,190
the investigation that some pains in the

2878
02:02:59,950 --> 02:02:57,349
FBI wanted to go ahead didn't go ahead

2879
02:03:02,080 --> 02:02:59,960
and it was basically a case of well it's

2880
02:03:03,879 --> 02:03:02,090
all scavengers a report was commissioned

2881
02:03:08,729 --> 02:03:03,889
the Rommel reports it was put down to

2882
02:03:11,470 --> 02:03:08,739
scavengers etc etc but the documents the

2883
02:03:13,419 --> 02:03:11,480
originally rates the FBI and the

2884
02:03:16,569 --> 02:03:13,429
internal memos tell a far different

2885
02:03:21,479 --> 02:03:16,579
story but what I think is interesting is

2886
02:03:23,890 --> 02:03:21,489
that these old files from 47 48 49 they

2887
02:03:26,169 --> 02:03:23,900
demonstrate that there was a concern way

2888
02:03:28,419 --> 02:03:26,179
back then about the u.s. cattle herd

2889
02:03:31,419 --> 02:03:28,429
being infected by something that could

2890
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:31,429
spread and spread and spread so whoever

2891
02:03:36,609 --> 02:03:33,170
or whatever's responsible for cattle

2892
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:36,619
mutes I think we see the Foundation's

2893
02:03:43,029 --> 02:03:39,530
possibly laid down in those like forties

2894
02:03:45,489 --> 02:03:43,039
documents to justify why something along

2895
02:03:48,189 --> 02:03:45,499
those lines might go ahead you know the

2896
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:48,199
fears and the concerns and whether that

2897
02:03:53,859 --> 02:03:51,530
means it's all just due to you no fears

2898
02:03:55,660 --> 02:03:53,869
of biological warfare and viruses and

2899
02:03:57,879 --> 02:03:55,670
it's some sort of military agency

2900
02:04:00,160 --> 02:03:57,889
keeping a watch to see if the cattle or

2901
02:04:02,979 --> 02:04:00,170
don't become infected or whether there

2902
02:04:06,790 --> 02:04:02,989
is a UFO components or a paranormal

2903
02:04:08,950 --> 02:04:06,800
angle or you know occult organizations

2904
02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:08,960
or whether it's some bizarre mixture of

2905
02:04:12,489 --> 02:04:10,249
all of them in a way we're not really

2906
02:04:13,630 --> 02:04:12,499
understanding I think the files are

2907
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:13,640
important in the sense

2908
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:15,890
that coming to play English story

2909
02:04:20,530 --> 02:04:18,410
somewhere no well I think you did a good

2910
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:20,540
job summarizing the FBI's involvement

2911
02:04:27,550 --> 02:04:24,050
and I do have the complete set of files

2912
02:04:29,230 --> 02:04:27,560
that the FBI Declassified and released

2913
02:04:31,030 --> 02:04:29,240
to the public and and there's no

2914
02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:31,040
question that they were they were

2915
02:04:35,020 --> 02:04:32,810
scratching their heads like the ranching

2916
02:04:36,490 --> 02:04:35,030
community for quite some time and it

2917
02:04:38,740 --> 02:04:36,500
wasn't until the whitewash you know

2918
02:04:40,750 --> 02:04:38,750
there are mail for it operation cattle

2919
02:04:43,570 --> 02:04:40,760
mutilation that are animal mutilation

2920
02:04:45,370 --> 02:04:43,580
that that we have the perfect way

2921
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:45,380
possible deniability for everybody to go

2922
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:46,970
oh it's Doug and Dave doing the crop

2923
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:48,650
circles oh it's you know predators and

2924
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:50,570
scavengers that are doing the mutes well

2925
02:04:54,670 --> 02:04:52,370
what's unfortunate and what I try to

2926
02:04:56,640 --> 02:04:54,680
point out in my book is during that six

2927
02:04:59,440 --> 02:04:56,650
months when Rommel was going around

2928
02:05:01,210 --> 02:04:59,450
investigating alleged cases there was

2929
02:05:04,090 --> 02:05:01,220
quite a panic in the ranching community

2930
02:05:06,430 --> 02:05:04,100
and so every there were quite a number

2931
02:05:08,410 --> 02:05:06,440
of scavenger animals unusual looking

2932
02:05:11,290 --> 02:05:08,420
scavenger action that was reported as a

2933
02:05:14,350 --> 02:05:11,300
genuine case what you don't see in the

2934
02:05:16,660 --> 02:05:14,360
rommel report is that it appears like

2935
02:05:19,630 --> 02:05:16,670
the entire phenomenon the room the real

2936
02:05:21,940 --> 02:05:19,640
high strange cases all seemed to jump up

2937
02:05:24,630 --> 02:05:21,950
to Alberta and Saskatchewan during that

2938
02:05:26,620 --> 02:05:24,640
time period and we have the Royal

2939
02:05:27,960 --> 02:05:26,630
Canadian Mounted Police running around

2940
02:05:30,670 --> 02:05:27,970
like chickens without their heads

2941
02:05:33,250 --> 02:05:30,680
investigating real cases up in Canada

2942
02:05:35,350 --> 02:05:33,260
and Rommel going around thinking he's

2943
02:05:37,330 --> 02:05:35,360
investigating real cases and not even

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02:05:38,590 --> 02:05:37,340
getting out of his car actually but his

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02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:38,600
field investigators would go out and say

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02:05:42,910 --> 02:05:40,850
well this is just cabin direction so

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02:05:46,330 --> 02:05:42,920
it's really unfortunate and rather

2948
02:05:48,580 --> 02:05:46,340
disingenuous for for people to you know

2949
02:05:50,890 --> 02:05:48,590
just cite the Rommel report it's it's in

2950
02:05:52,930 --> 02:05:50,900
a similar way it's very very closely

2951
02:05:54,940 --> 02:05:52,940
kind of parallels and resembles the

2952
02:05:57,430 --> 02:05:54,950
Condon report which pretty much

2953
02:05:59,590 --> 02:05:57,440
whitewashed the whole UFO phenomenon and

2954
02:06:01,780 --> 02:05:59,600
came up with the summation that there

2955
02:06:03,850 --> 02:06:01,790
was no threat to national security and

2956
02:06:07,480 --> 02:06:03,860
you know in in the case of Kenneth Rama

2957
02:06:10,630 --> 02:06:07,490
who was a bank robbery expert go figure

2958
02:06:12,760 --> 02:06:10,640
why he was commissioned given fifty

2959
02:06:14,380 --> 02:06:12,770
thousand dollars to investigate cattle

2960
02:06:15,940 --> 02:06:14,390
mutilations you would think he'd want a

2961
02:06:20,230 --> 02:06:15,950
veterinary pathologist or somebody in

2962
02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:20,240
the in the animal sciences so you know

2963
02:06:27,010 --> 02:06:22,880
again these these these whitewashes have

2964
02:06:27,370 --> 02:06:27,020
a tendency to to deflate the importance

2965
02:06:30,970 --> 02:06:27,380
of

2966
02:06:33,700 --> 02:06:30,980
the rug and give people plausible

2967
02:06:35,320 --> 02:06:33,710
deniability to go into denial and I

2968
02:06:38,050 --> 02:06:35,330
think it was pretty apparent there you

2969
02:06:40,180 --> 02:06:38,060
know I think about all this I wonder if

2970
02:06:42,370 --> 02:06:40,190
we ever have a situation here where some

2971
02:06:45,610 --> 02:06:42,380
of these conspiracy theories are floated

2972
02:06:47,890 --> 02:06:45,620
not to push you in the real direction of

2973
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:47,900
what happened but to set aside an

2974
02:06:52,690 --> 02:06:50,210
alternative viewpoint get people to

2975
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:52,700
think about that and hide some other

2976
02:06:57,430 --> 02:06:55,760
factor we don't know anything about no

2977
02:07:00,010 --> 02:06:57,440
well yeah I think that's actually

2978
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:00,020
exactly what happens I mean a perfect

2979
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:02,330
example is I've got a chapter in the

2980
02:07:07,990 --> 02:07:03,410
book on Roswell

2981
02:07:10,870 --> 02:07:08,000
and the chapter basically is not sort of

2982
02:07:13,540 --> 02:07:10,880
a study of what happened it's a study of

2983
02:07:15,250 --> 02:07:13,550
the now less than thirteen scenarios

2984
02:07:17,230 --> 02:07:15,260
that have been presented for what

2985
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:17,240
happened at Roswell and I'm pretty sure

2986
02:07:23,530 --> 02:07:19,360
that some of those scenarios were

2987
02:07:25,480 --> 02:07:23,540
deliberately and covertly orchestrated

2988
02:07:27,940 --> 02:07:25,490
to ensure that there are so many

2989
02:07:30,850 --> 02:07:27,950
theories that the whatever really

2990
02:07:33,730 --> 02:07:30,860
happened gets swamped by the massive

2991
02:07:36,250 --> 02:07:33,740
alternate theories I mean you know from

2992
02:07:38,050 --> 02:07:36,260
the Air Force for example we had initial

2993
02:07:40,570 --> 02:07:38,060
statement that is a flying disc then it

2994
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:40,580
was a weather balloon then in 1994 was a

2995
02:07:46,810 --> 02:07:43,010
mogul balloon that's three explanations

2996
02:07:50,260 --> 02:07:46,820
from one agency now in a couple years

2997
02:07:52,450 --> 02:07:50,270
ago in her book 51 Annie Jacobson talked

2998
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:52,460
about how she was told that Roswell was

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the crash of a Soviet device and the the

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02:08:03,340 --> 02:07:58,460
bodies were actually children mutated by

3001
02:08:05,530 --> 02:08:03,350
Joseph Mengele back in the 1990s Jim

3002
02:08:08,920 --> 02:08:05,540
Keith who's now dead a conspiracy

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02:08:11,200 --> 02:08:08,930
researcher he was told that an aircraft

3004
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:11,210
bear in mind that the the Roswell Army

3005
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Airfield was the only atomic bomb wing

3006
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in the u.s. at the time he was told that

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an atomic bomb accidentally fell or was

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dropped from an aircraft and luckily

3009
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didn't detonate and he said that that he

3010
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was told that's what they'd be led to

3011
02:08:31,540 --> 02:08:29,060
the Roswell UFO legend it was hidden

3012
02:08:34,300 --> 02:08:31,550
under a UFO banner then you have the

3013
02:08:35,680 --> 02:08:34,310
idea of some sort of German you know

3014
02:08:37,900 --> 02:08:35,690
something captured at the end of the

3015
02:08:41,590 --> 02:08:37,910
Second World War brought over with the

3016
02:08:43,870 --> 02:08:41,600
paperclip scientists that kind of thing

3017
02:08:45,910 --> 02:08:43,880
you have the time-travel theory that's

3018
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been put forward as well you know sort

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of us from the future coming back to see

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what happened to Roswell only to realize

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that you know the time travelers crashed

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02:08:57,310 --> 02:08:54,230
and they became the surface of the

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Roswell story now one of the most

3024
02:09:02,200 --> 02:08:59,120
interesting ones which again is very

3025
02:09:04,180 --> 02:09:02,210
much under investigated but I talked

3026
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:04,190
about this in this particular chapter it

3027
02:09:09,220 --> 02:09:06,650
relates to a novel called the flying

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saucer which was written in 1948 by a

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guy named Bernard Newman and he was

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someone who worked in British

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intelligence for a number of years and

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Newman's book the flying saucer it's a

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novel but it talks about three UFO

3034
02:09:27,910 --> 02:09:24,740
crashes one in Russia one in the UK and

3035
02:09:30,280 --> 02:09:27,920
one in of all places New Mexico but

3036
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they're not real UFO events what they

3037
02:09:35,260 --> 02:09:32,600
are they're staged events by like a

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secret cabal of scientists that want to

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02:09:40,270 --> 02:09:37,970
change the world mindset and create like

3040
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a new world order and so they staged

3041
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these events and they even creates alien

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02:09:47,950 --> 02:09:45,500
bodies that can be autopsy from like

3043
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various body parts you have blood

3044
02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:51,070
creates like a chimera type creature and

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so the events are staged the crashes are

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staged people on site are allowed to

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catch a glimpse of the bodies and it's

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basically like a semi sinister means by

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which to create a new world order and

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have the world united with this in the

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over there on your computer I'm shopping

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hey did you know there's a company

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such a thing as electronic pickpocketing

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what is that

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well apparently many of the new credit

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readers when we pay unfortunately a bad

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and go around the city scanning people

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collecting their credit card numbers and

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personal information without us knowing

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it wow that sounds scary since you're

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getting a new wallet anyway you should

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definitely get an ID stronghold shielded

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fact I can get a shielded leather wallet

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from ID stronghold calm for the same

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price or less than regular unshielded

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wallets from other stores sounds great

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my wallet isn't falling apart yet but

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and nukes and you're listening to the

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radio okay so the story goes that we

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have these three faked crashes in order

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to and that's a common theme in science

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fiction movies as a matter of fact get

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the world to work together against the

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alien threat that was a theme in

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Independence Day where the aliens are

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taking us over and if we don't work

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together we're going to be terraformed

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or dust or whatever and I all starts

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with a 1948 book I'm just fascinated

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though how things like a UFO crash in

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New Mexico were selected could that have

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influenced any of our lore about Roswell

3181
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well it could well I mean as I said

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Bernard Newman was someone who moved in

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intriguing circles in the UK did have

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ties to significant figures in the world

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of intelligence and you have to wonder

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if he had heard snippets of information

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or possibly even do a story that one or

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more UFO crashes maybe even Roswell had

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been staged to create like a meme you

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know to influence the meme of flying

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saucers you know what are the

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interesting theories that was put

3193
02:16:20,540 --> 02:16:16,650
forward was that maybe the UFO crash was

3194
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:20,550
staged to try and reel in Soviet agents

3195
02:16:23,900 --> 02:16:22,530
who we know were in New Mexico because

3196
02:16:26,390 --> 02:16:23,910
of all the research that was being done

3197
02:16:29,240 --> 02:16:26,400
on atomic weapons at places like Los

3198
02:16:30,740 --> 02:16:29,250
Alamos for example and all what was

3199
02:16:33,050 --> 02:16:30,750
going on at White Sands with new

3200
02:16:34,610 --> 02:16:33,060
technology research for aircraft and

3201
02:16:36,830 --> 02:16:34,620
rockets we know that there was

3202
02:16:38,990 --> 02:16:36,840
significant numbers of Russian spies

3203
02:16:42,050 --> 02:16:39,000
running around New Mexico at that time

3204
02:16:44,629 --> 02:16:42,060
now what better way to reel them in than

3205
02:16:46,669 --> 02:16:44,639
to say hey you know a UFOs come down and

3206
02:16:48,950 --> 02:16:46,679
then you sit back a little bit and see

3207
02:16:51,020 --> 02:16:48,960
who starts snooping around the town of

3208
02:16:53,720 --> 02:16:51,030
Roswell and who's got a funny accent

3209
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:53,730
maybe it was a way of China like I said

3210
02:16:57,770 --> 02:16:56,160
real in Russian spies I mean he could

3211
02:16:59,690 --> 02:16:57,780
have been directed against all of us you

3212
02:17:00,980 --> 02:16:59,700
know create a meme that where one day

3213
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:00,990
will be

3214
02:17:05,960 --> 02:17:04,170
with a fake alien invasion or it could

3215
02:17:07,790 --> 02:17:05,970
have been like a localized thing we need

3216
02:17:10,130 --> 02:17:07,800
a way to try and find these Russian

3217
02:17:11,450 --> 02:17:10,140
spies let's give them the most amazing

3218
02:17:13,220 --> 02:17:11,460
thing of all you know a crashed

3219
02:17:15,530 --> 02:17:13,230
spacecraft and they're gonna come

3220
02:17:17,300 --> 02:17:15,540
running and then you grab them you know

3221
02:17:19,640 --> 02:17:17,310
you've closed down their operations we

3222
02:17:22,970 --> 02:17:19,650
have any real secrets being compromised

3223
02:17:26,330 --> 02:17:22,980
mates as much if not more sense in

3224
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:26,340
aliens not having the technology to

3225
02:17:32,150 --> 02:17:29,010
survive being swept with a giant radar

3226
02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:32,160
signal you forgot one of the theories

3227
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:35,010
always your theory and the Body

3228
02:17:39,410 --> 02:17:37,290
Snatchers oh I didn't forget I was just

3229
02:17:41,570 --> 02:17:39,420
sort of telling people once I thought

3230
02:17:43,520 --> 02:17:41,580
that there probably know less about you

3231
02:17:47,390 --> 02:17:43,530
know like the flying saucer Bernard

3232
02:17:48,920 --> 02:17:47,400
Newman one and that's one of me but yeah

3233
02:17:51,130 --> 02:17:48,930
I mean the one I wrote about in Body

3234
02:17:53,870 --> 02:17:51,140
Snatchers the idea of high-altitude

3235
02:17:56,210 --> 02:17:53,880
balloons and you know using handicapped

3236
02:17:58,100 --> 02:17:56,220
people in some of these huge balloons

3237
02:18:00,590 --> 02:17:58,110
that may have sort of exploded in the

3238
02:18:02,300 --> 02:18:00,600
air and you know come crash the ground

3239
02:18:04,640 --> 02:18:02,310
so you could be strange fall and these

3240
02:18:06,920 --> 02:18:04,650
weird-looking bodies I mean that book

3241
02:18:10,760 --> 02:18:06,930
that I wrote Body Snatchers that came

3242
02:18:12,500 --> 02:18:10,770
out in actually ten years ago 2005 and I

3243
02:18:15,680 --> 02:18:12,510
started the research in the interviews

3244
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:15,690
round about 2001 I was the first to

3245
02:18:20,780 --> 02:18:17,850
admit I could never really in to this

3246
02:18:23,960 --> 02:18:20,790
day I'm still not sure if there was like

3247
02:18:26,270 --> 02:18:23,970
an agenda behind that or if the people

3248
02:18:28,700 --> 02:18:26,280
were legitimately you know telling what

3249
02:18:30,290 --> 02:18:28,710
they know for sure I mean by their own

3250
02:18:32,510 --> 02:18:30,300
admission most the people I'd you said

3251
02:18:35,510 --> 02:18:32,520
that they got their data from old

3252
02:18:36,980 --> 02:18:35,520
documents which they were exposed to in

3253
02:18:40,670 --> 02:18:36,990
the course of their job in the fifties

3254
02:18:42,770 --> 02:18:40,680
and sixties now does that mean they were

3255
02:18:45,170 --> 02:18:42,780
honest and earnest but they've been

3256
02:18:46,910 --> 02:18:45,180
deceived or were the files the real

3257
02:18:48,950 --> 02:18:46,920
thing you know was it the cloud the

3258
02:18:51,230 --> 02:18:48,960
crash of I mean like the Air Force said

3259
02:18:52,370 --> 02:18:51,240
he was a classified balloon the people I

3260
02:18:54,140 --> 02:18:52,380
interviewed said he was a classified

3261
02:18:56,570 --> 02:18:54,150
balloon but they just said he was you

3262
02:18:59,390 --> 02:18:56,580
know he's like a man balloon to test

3263
02:19:01,070 --> 02:18:59,400
early high-altitude experimentation

3264
02:19:03,980 --> 02:19:01,080
technology and that kind of thing and

3265
02:19:06,020 --> 02:19:03,990
the story was that it was controversial

3266
02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:06,030
because they used handicapped people and

3267
02:19:09,740 --> 02:19:07,770
prisoners and things like this and

3268
02:19:12,200 --> 02:19:09,750
people from asylums

3269
02:19:14,090 --> 02:19:12,210
who they felt wouldn't be missed you

3270
02:19:14,750 --> 02:19:14,100
know as I said I have to be honest to

3271
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:14,760
this day I

3272
02:19:19,610 --> 02:19:16,290
don't know if it was somebody trying to

3273
02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:19,620
seed more disinformation or blow the

3274
02:19:23,959 --> 02:19:21,290
whistle on what he's arguably more

3275
02:19:25,610 --> 02:19:23,969
controversial than a real UFO crash and

3276
02:19:27,740 --> 02:19:25,620
you know I still often think about it

3277
02:19:30,169 --> 02:19:27,750
because occasionally I still get a few

3278
02:19:33,830 --> 02:19:30,179
snippets that push the story down that

3279
02:19:36,410 --> 02:19:33,840
pathway but you know I get some

3280
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:36,420
somewhere in all these stories base 12

3281
02:19:41,030 --> 02:19:39,120
or 13 theories I'm pretty sure the truth

3282
02:19:43,700 --> 02:19:41,040
exists but the problem is of course

3283
02:19:46,250 --> 02:19:43,710
which one of the 13 is the real one you

3284
02:19:49,519 --> 02:19:46,260
know well that also takes us to any

3285
02:19:52,510 --> 02:19:49,529
major UFO story that has gained traction

3286
02:19:54,650 --> 02:19:52,520
has legs how many of these cases

3287
02:19:56,570 --> 02:19:54,660
represent the possibility of something

3288
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:56,580
unknown we don't have to say spaceships

3289
02:20:00,139 --> 02:19:58,560
necessarily just something on something

3290
02:20:02,690 --> 02:20:00,149
we haven't figured out and how many

3291
02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:02,700
might represent some kind of military

3292
02:20:09,440 --> 02:20:06,170
test like Washington National Airport

3293
02:20:12,019 --> 02:20:09,450
1952 or some kind of military experiment

3294
02:20:14,570 --> 02:20:12,029
a disinformation experiment how do we

3295
02:20:16,370 --> 02:20:14,580
separate that can we well that's a big

3296
02:20:19,099 --> 02:20:16,380
problem in case you submit at least

3297
02:20:21,590 --> 02:20:19,109
stand out both from not just both in

3298
02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:21,600
1980 but both from within days of each

3299
02:20:26,840 --> 02:20:24,090
other you're the cash Landrum case in

3300
02:20:29,269 --> 02:20:26,850
Texas and you had the rebel Sephora's

3301
02:20:32,780 --> 02:20:29,279
case in England I mean literally like 48

3302
02:20:34,820 --> 02:20:32,790
hours apart now cash Landrum you've got

3303
02:20:36,740 --> 02:20:34,830
the extensive number of military

3304
02:20:39,469 --> 02:20:36,750
helicopters you know this weird

3305
02:20:43,099 --> 02:20:39,479
diamond-shaped object you have stories

3306
02:20:45,260 --> 02:20:43,109
of the three witnesses being maybe a

3307
02:20:46,780 --> 02:20:45,270
radiated or possibly exposed to some

3308
02:20:49,490 --> 02:20:46,790
sort of chemical component that

3309
02:20:52,519 --> 02:20:49,500
adversely affected their health you know

3310
02:20:55,480 --> 02:20:52,529
I think that could go one of two ways a

3311
02:20:58,519 --> 02:20:55,490
genuine unknown and there was being

3312
02:21:02,360 --> 02:20:58,529
essentially followed or chased by some

3313
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:02,370
sort of UFO retrieval team or it could

3314
02:21:07,340 --> 02:21:04,170
have been something that was being

3315
02:21:09,860 --> 02:21:07,350
tested that went off target and so you

3316
02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:09,870
had like an emergency recovery team that

3317
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:11,850
would be involved in unis regular

3318
02:21:15,769 --> 02:21:13,410
military recoveries of sensitive

3319
02:21:18,380 --> 02:21:15,779
technology as for rentals and forests

3320
02:21:19,849 --> 02:21:18,390
you know it's a significant case but

3321
02:21:22,040 --> 02:21:19,859
there are a number of interesting

3322
02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:22,050
aspects to this story

3323
02:21:28,310 --> 02:21:25,200
for example rabo show you is a former

3324
02:21:31,180 --> 02:21:28,320
no-fun director in Lincoln Nebraska

3325
02:21:33,860 --> 02:21:31,190
interview or spoke with a couple of DoD

3326
02:21:36,051 --> 02:21:33,870
scientists personnel physicists who told

3327
02:21:38,511 --> 02:21:36,061
him the Rendlesham was like a PSYOP

3328
02:21:42,261 --> 02:21:38,521
using all sorts of mind-altering

3329
02:21:44,211 --> 02:21:42,271
technologies tested out on like a met

3330
02:21:47,001 --> 02:21:44,221
the military people involved essentially

3331
02:21:48,980 --> 02:21:47,011
to see how the Micra manipulated and to

3332
02:21:51,261 --> 02:21:48,990
one extent so you know if you can

3333
02:21:53,541 --> 02:21:51,271
convince military personnel they're seen

3334
02:21:56,211 --> 02:21:53,551
aliens then you could convince them of

3335
02:21:58,490 --> 02:21:56,221
anything and what is interesting is that

3336
02:22:01,551 --> 02:21:58,500
you know if you wanted to do it in the

3337
02:22:02,780 --> 02:22:01,561
UK then the time and the location would

3338
02:22:04,820 --> 02:22:02,790
actually be a really good one I'll

3339
02:22:08,180 --> 02:22:04,830
explain why because Rendlesham forest

3340
02:22:11,091 --> 02:22:08,190
you know it's a large sort large area of

3341
02:22:13,970 --> 02:22:11,101
woodland and the date when the instance

3342
02:22:17,060 --> 02:22:13,980
began was December the 26th now December

3343
02:22:19,820 --> 02:22:17,070
the 26 in England is Boxing Day in

3344
02:22:22,251 --> 02:22:19,830
England most companies break up for

3345
02:22:24,740 --> 02:22:22,261
Christmas and on December the 23rd or

3346
02:22:26,270 --> 02:22:24,750
the 24th now because back to work hardly

3347
02:22:28,280 --> 02:22:26,280
apart from you know the essential

3348
02:22:29,690 --> 02:22:28,290
workers until January the 5th we all

3349
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:29,700
have like a good to enough weight

3350
02:22:33,470 --> 02:22:31,200
holiday thereabouts

3351
02:22:35,631 --> 02:22:33,480
what happened was that the first

3352
02:22:37,551 --> 02:22:35,641
sightings occurred on December 26 which

3353
02:22:39,350 --> 02:22:37,561
in England is a national holiday called

3354
02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:39,360
Boxing Day well actually they would

3355
02:22:42,470 --> 02:22:40,650
british-controlled here they were just

3356
02:22:45,650 --> 02:22:42,480
late one base was leased out to the US

3357
02:22:48,381 --> 02:22:45,660
they only had a skeleton staff because

3358
02:22:51,740 --> 02:22:48,391
so many people off on leaf for holiday

3359
02:22:54,320 --> 02:22:51,750
so in other words the number of people

3360
02:22:57,350 --> 02:22:54,330
who were at the base without a minimum

3361
02:22:59,211 --> 02:22:57,360
and on top of that we know from the

3362
02:23:01,041 --> 02:22:59,221
records that the minister defends you

3363
02:23:02,870 --> 02:23:01,051
know they sort of you know vet their

3364
02:23:04,520 --> 02:23:02,880
work scaled down over Christmas you know

3365
02:23:06,110 --> 02:23:04,530
you might be the England might be the

3366
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:06,120
only place where people are like oh well

3367
02:23:09,110 --> 02:23:07,290
you know we're gonna have a cup of tea

3368
02:23:11,091 --> 02:23:09,120
another holiday wouldn't worry about the

3369
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:11,101
Russians after Christmas you know but

3370
02:23:15,980 --> 02:23:12,960
that's what happened so in other words

3371
02:23:18,291 --> 02:23:15,990
if he wanted to test out new and radical

3372
02:23:20,450 --> 02:23:18,301
technology the best place here in the UK

3373
02:23:23,660 --> 02:23:20,460
would be deep in the woods at a time

3374
02:23:24,801 --> 02:23:23,670
when most people wouldn't have been at

3375
02:23:26,390 --> 02:23:24,811
the base because they'd had been on

3376
02:23:28,730 --> 02:23:26,400
vacation you know and who've just been

3377
02:23:30,261 --> 02:23:28,740
the skeleton staff so the chances of the

3378
02:23:32,631 --> 02:23:30,271
whole thing come tumbling out would be

3379
02:23:34,910 --> 02:23:32,641
less I'm not saying that was the answer

3380
02:23:37,310 --> 02:23:34,920
but you know it could have been the

3381
02:23:39,171 --> 02:23:37,320
answer it's kind of that also ties in

3382
02:23:42,250 --> 02:23:39,181
with the flying triangle cases I mean

3383
02:23:45,099 --> 02:23:42,260
the famous belgian triangle case

3384
02:23:47,469 --> 02:23:45,109
is March 1990 when you have these huge

3385
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:47,479
waves of black triangles and the belgian

3386
02:23:52,210 --> 02:23:50,479
defense people chasing him etc you know

3387
02:23:55,269 --> 02:23:52,220
the one theory is that it was sort of

3388
02:23:58,000 --> 02:23:55,279
some advanced military technology well

3389
02:24:03,010 --> 02:23:58,010
had that they those sightings occurred

3390
02:24:04,540 --> 02:24:03,020
on March of xxx xxx 31st if the media

3391
02:24:06,280 --> 02:24:04,550
had published immediately probably the

3392
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:06,290
first day they could get it out will be

3393
02:24:10,780 --> 02:24:08,810
April the 1st April Fool's Day alright

3394
02:24:13,240 --> 02:24:10,790
so you don't take it seriously but let's

3395
02:24:15,849 --> 02:24:13,250
continue that yeah we take Nick Redfern

3396
02:24:18,550 --> 02:24:15,859
very seriously he's back for one more

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3462
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3465
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3466
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3495
02:28:48,640 --> 02:28:43,430
to make Pope you're listening to the

3496
02:28:51,030 --> 02:28:48,650
parrot car on the power cast with Nick

3497
02:28:53,410 --> 02:28:51,040
Redfern author of secret history

3498
02:28:55,480 --> 02:28:53,420
conspiracies from ancient aliens to the

3499
02:28:57,100 --> 02:28:55,490
New World Order and many other books in

3500
02:28:58,690 --> 02:28:57,110
fact I mention before he leaves he's got

3501
02:29:01,240 --> 02:28:58,700
another book coming out what three

3502
02:29:03,790 --> 02:29:01,250
months or so I'm Bigfoot but right now

3503
02:29:07,511 --> 02:29:03,800
let's talk about this particular theory

3504
02:29:09,910 --> 02:29:07,521
where the news doesn't get published

3505
02:29:12,700 --> 02:29:09,920
till around the 1st of April so a story

3506
02:29:16,390 --> 02:29:12,710
can be regarded as a possible April

3507
02:29:18,670 --> 02:29:16,400
Fool's joke Nick yeah well the Belgian

3508
02:29:20,830 --> 02:29:18,680
wave of flying triangle sightings a huge

3509
02:29:23,920 --> 02:29:20,840
black triangular shaped objects with

3510
02:29:25,750 --> 02:29:23,930
illumination below been seen everywhere

3511
02:29:28,980 --> 02:29:25,760
but there was a major wave at the very

3512
02:29:32,140 --> 02:29:28,990
end of March 1990 all sorts of theories

3513
02:29:34,511 --> 02:29:32,150
UFOs military technology now as I said

3514
02:29:36,820 --> 02:29:34,521
that had the store had been published

3515
02:29:38,830 --> 02:29:36,830
immediately because of the time frame

3516
02:29:41,650 --> 02:29:38,840
the first he could have got out was

3517
02:29:43,690 --> 02:29:41,660
April the 1st now that in itself is

3518
02:29:45,640 --> 02:29:43,700
intriguing but exactly the same thing

3519
02:29:47,380 --> 02:29:45,650
happens four years later and I've got an

3520
02:29:49,870 --> 02:29:47,390
entire chapter about this latter day

3521
02:29:52,600 --> 02:29:49,880
case in the book there's a Royal Air

3522
02:29:55,750 --> 02:29:52,610
Force Base in England called Cosford cos

3523
02:29:58,000 --> 02:29:55,760
FOID and on the night of March the 31st

3524
02:30:00,700 --> 02:29:58,010
there was a sighting of a huge black

3525
02:30:02,590 --> 02:30:00,710
triangle over RAF Cosford in another

3526
02:30:04,810 --> 02:30:02,600
base called RAF Shawbury you keep

3527
02:30:07,180 --> 02:30:04,820
googling you'll find huge stories all

3528
02:30:10,090 --> 02:30:07,190
about it on the internet and again the

3529
02:30:11,440 --> 02:30:10,100
earliest day that the local press would

3530
02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:11,450
have been able to publish that story

3531
02:30:15,309 --> 02:30:13,130
because of the time frame and you know

3532
02:30:17,380 --> 02:30:15,319
the printing schedules would have been a

3533
02:30:20,649 --> 02:30:17,390
fools day so again you have a situation

3534
02:30:22,899 --> 02:30:20,659
where people may be flying advanced

3535
02:30:24,639 --> 02:30:22,909
military technologies knowing that if if

3536
02:30:26,409 --> 02:30:24,649
they raise the press and we test on

3537
02:30:28,649 --> 02:30:26,419
certain days they're going to be laughed

3538
02:30:31,239 --> 02:30:28,659
at and there's also the issue of

3539
02:30:33,699 --> 02:30:31,249
fabricating the UFO ban events in the

3540
02:30:34,989 --> 02:30:33,709
woods near a military base when it's a

3541
02:30:37,210 --> 02:30:34,999
Christmas time and half the people

3542
02:30:39,519 --> 02:30:37,220
aren't there you know it keeps the word

3543
02:30:41,800 --> 02:30:39,529
to a minimum and it goes at night when

3544
02:30:44,199 --> 02:30:41,810
there's even less people on duty I think

3545
02:30:46,510 --> 02:30:44,209
more needs to be looked at with these

3546
02:30:48,069 --> 02:30:46,520
cases at some of these tangent issues

3547
02:30:50,050 --> 02:30:48,079
that seem tangential and on the

3548
02:30:51,790 --> 02:30:50,060
sidelines but may actually not be there

3549
02:30:54,219 --> 02:30:51,800
might be some integral tool to

3550
02:30:56,439 --> 02:30:54,229
understanding what really happened first

3551
02:30:58,960 --> 02:30:56,449
we have a couple of quick questions from

3552
02:31:00,639 --> 02:30:58,970
our listeners yeah we do and boy we just

3553
02:31:02,260 --> 02:31:00,649
barely scratch the surface there was a

3554
02:31:04,439 --> 02:31:02,270
bunch of stuff that I was hoping that we

3555
02:31:06,849 --> 02:31:04,449
would get to the death of all the

3556
02:31:09,670 --> 02:31:06,859
microbiologists some of the brain drain

3557
02:31:12,699 --> 02:31:09,680
stuff going on a Marconi and alternative

3558
02:31:14,319 --> 02:31:12,709
three type scenarios and there's just a

3559
02:31:16,540 --> 02:31:14,329
whole litany of stuff and we never even

3560
02:31:17,460 --> 02:31:16,550
talked about the ancient alien at first

3561
02:31:19,510 --> 02:31:17,470
third of the book

3562
02:31:22,659 --> 02:31:19,520
we're gonna have to have you back Nick

3563
02:31:24,130 --> 02:31:22,669
and do a part two because this is like

3564
02:31:25,750 --> 02:31:24,140
the most extensive book that you've

3565
02:31:27,369 --> 02:31:25,760
written in a while and boy there's a lot

3566
02:31:29,529 --> 02:31:27,379
of a lot of meat in there to sink your

3567
02:31:31,630 --> 02:31:29,539
teeth into so we do have a couple of

3568
02:31:34,869 --> 02:31:31,640
questions from one of our posters Bert's

3569
02:31:36,699 --> 02:31:34,879
take Roberts one of our longtime posters

3570
02:31:39,790 --> 02:31:36,709
and one of our most active members at

3571
02:31:41,559 --> 02:31:39,800
form dr. Peric ascom where you can ask

3572
02:31:42,670 --> 02:31:41,569
questions of our guests and he's

3573
02:31:45,159 --> 02:31:42,680
wondering there's a couple of questions

3574
02:31:47,529 --> 02:31:45,169
in here but he's wondering about Bruce

3575
02:31:49,300 --> 02:31:47,539
the wincing and the value was creative

3576
02:31:50,739 --> 02:31:49,310
and unrestrained thinking he was

3577
02:31:53,679 --> 02:31:50,749
wondering if you had any few thoughts on

3578
02:31:55,869 --> 02:31:53,689
his passing recently yeah it's a tragic

3579
02:31:58,449 --> 02:31:55,879
passing I mean Bruce was somebody who

3580
02:32:00,399 --> 02:31:58,459
really thought out of the box you know

3581
02:32:02,349 --> 02:32:00,409
yeah he had almost like a unique way of

3582
02:32:04,779 --> 02:32:02,359
getting his thoughts across and a very

3583
02:32:07,119 --> 02:32:04,789
sort of colorful style of writing we're

3584
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:07,129
yet to read him very carefully but I

3585
02:32:12,609 --> 02:32:09,770
like Bruce's stuff because you know it

3586
02:32:13,869 --> 02:32:12,619
was like no fair he was beyond his

3587
02:32:16,029 --> 02:32:13,879
purview if you like you know he would

3588
02:32:18,340 --> 02:32:16,039
look at it he would study it and he had

3589
02:32:21,699 --> 02:32:18,350
a lot of interesting concepts on the

3590
02:32:23,349 --> 02:32:21,709
nature of reality and UFOs and and it's

3591
02:32:25,420 --> 02:32:23,359
always you know tragic when somebody

3592
02:32:28,870 --> 02:32:25,430
dies but you know I mean he died at only

3593
02:32:31,210 --> 02:32:28,880
64 and I'm sure

3594
02:32:32,980 --> 02:32:31,220
writer yeah he would have shared us with

3595
02:32:34,540 --> 02:32:32,990
us so many different concepts and that

3596
02:32:36,820 --> 02:32:34,550
was what Bruce was really good at was

3597
02:32:38,730 --> 02:32:36,830
making you think about his words and

3598
02:32:41,320 --> 02:32:38,740
making you think about the concepts and

3599
02:32:43,510 --> 02:32:41,330
paradigms that he was coming up with it

3600
02:32:44,920 --> 02:32:43,520
was like wow I never thought of that so

3601
02:32:47,410 --> 02:32:44,930
that you know who actually was like a

3602
02:32:48,880 --> 02:32:47,420
major contributor yeah he was really out

3603
02:32:50,889 --> 02:32:48,890
of the box it's a shame that he didn't

3604
02:32:53,170 --> 02:32:50,899
publish more well that's daddy's the one

3605
02:32:54,460 --> 02:32:53,180
downside I mean I often used to I was

3606
02:32:56,020 --> 02:32:54,470
exposed to a lot of his stuff through

3607
02:32:58,510 --> 02:32:56,030
the comments that he would also make at

3608
02:33:00,040 --> 02:32:58,520
other people's blogs yeah be extensive

3609
02:33:01,660 --> 02:33:00,050
comments and you think well you know

3610
02:33:03,730 --> 02:33:01,670
this should be an article or it should

3611
02:33:07,030 --> 02:33:03,740
be expanded he's like a chapter in a

3612
02:33:08,980 --> 02:33:07,040
book or whatever you know we also have

3613
02:33:10,420 --> 02:33:08,990
another question from burn State and

3614
02:33:12,900 --> 02:33:10,430
it's it's something that we kind of

3615
02:33:15,700 --> 02:33:12,910
touched on before but it's it's more

3616
02:33:18,280 --> 02:33:15,710
there's a little different slant on this

3617
02:33:20,230 --> 02:33:18,290
he serves regarding conspiracies how

3618
02:33:22,360 --> 02:33:20,240
would you rank the general principles of

3619
02:33:24,400 --> 02:33:22,370
consumerism that create needs for people

3620
02:33:26,469 --> 02:33:24,410
to feel bad about themselves

3621
02:33:27,969 --> 02:33:26,479
and consequently buy unnecessary

3622
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:27,979
products while simultaneously

3623
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:30,170
cultivating vast ignorance than the

3624
02:33:38,889 --> 02:33:32,810
masses as far as general conspiracies go

3625
02:33:41,380 --> 02:33:38,899
is this the biggest one the other hand I

3626
02:33:45,010 --> 02:33:41,390
think people just get you know sucked in

3627
02:33:47,620 --> 02:33:45,020
by commercials and TV you know they feel

3628
02:33:49,420 --> 02:33:47,630
that I think sometimes it just comes

3629
02:33:50,770 --> 02:33:49,430
down to the natural thing that people

3630
02:33:52,600 --> 02:33:50,780
feel if the neighbors have got it

3631
02:33:55,090 --> 02:33:52,610
they've got to have it you know it's

3632
02:33:56,800 --> 02:33:55,100
kind of like you saw in color TVs came

3633
02:33:58,540 --> 02:33:56,810
in you know what you still got a

3634
02:34:00,370 --> 02:33:58,550
black-and-white TV so people felt

3635
02:34:02,860 --> 02:34:00,380
pressured to get a color TV whether they

3636
02:34:04,420 --> 02:34:02,870
wanted it or not you know what didn't

3637
02:34:06,730 --> 02:34:04,430
work guys of course is they tried to

3638
02:34:08,740 --> 02:34:06,740
send you near 3d TV and that didn't go

3639
02:34:11,860 --> 02:34:08,750
very far and now they're saying gonna

3640
02:34:14,500 --> 02:34:11,870
need a 4k TV that's Ultra HD or higher

3641
02:34:17,050 --> 02:34:14,510
resolution and it's questionable how far

3642
02:34:21,700 --> 02:34:17,060
that'll go but possibly more than 3d but

3643
02:34:23,080 --> 02:34:21,710
please go you know I'm sure people who

3644
02:34:24,820 --> 02:34:23,090
are interested in altering the

3645
02:34:27,389 --> 02:34:24,830
populations mindset

3646
02:34:30,429 --> 02:34:27,399
take a great deal of interest as how

3647
02:34:34,900 --> 02:34:30,439
commercials do influence people and how

3648
02:34:38,410 --> 02:34:34,910
signs in stores and and displays can

3649
02:34:39,969 --> 02:34:38,420
actually influence people to act in a

3650
02:34:42,040 --> 02:34:39,979
certain way I mean studies have been

3651
02:34:42,840 --> 02:34:42,050
done you know to determine how stores

3652
02:34:44,729 --> 02:34:42,850
should actually

3653
02:34:48,030 --> 02:34:44,739
lay out certain products in certain

3654
02:34:50,580 --> 02:34:48,040
places and how they should be advertised

3655
02:34:52,200 --> 02:34:50,590
for maximum sales so a lot of thought

3656
02:34:54,269 --> 02:34:52,210
does go into the whole issue of

3657
02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:54,279
consumerism it's not just a case of oh

3658
02:34:58,109 --> 02:34:56,080
we'll put the call flakes there and

3659
02:35:00,599 --> 02:34:58,119
we'll put the frozen-food there now

3660
02:35:02,130 --> 02:35:00,609
there's a lot of design goes into it so

3661
02:35:05,309 --> 02:35:02,140
you know you could apply that on a far

3662
02:35:06,929 --> 02:35:05,319
more sinister scale as well well not to

3663
02:35:09,750 --> 02:35:06,939
mention the targeted marketing on the

3664
02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:09,760
internet based on your click throughs to

3665
02:35:15,990 --> 02:35:13,210
various sites you can see the effect you

3666
02:35:17,849 --> 02:35:16,000
click on a site that maybe has to do

3667
02:35:19,410 --> 02:35:17,859
with some sort of you know product that

3668
02:35:20,939 --> 02:35:19,420
you normally aren't interested in then

3669
02:35:23,609 --> 02:35:20,949
all of a sudden you see ads start

3670
02:35:25,889 --> 02:35:23,619
appearing in your various web sites that

3671
02:35:28,260 --> 02:35:25,899
are targeted for a person that had just

3672
02:35:30,090 --> 02:35:28,270
clicked through to that site so there is

3673
02:35:32,429 --> 02:35:30,100
that element as well so it's it's

3674
02:35:35,729 --> 02:35:32,439
getting more and more personalized and

3675
02:35:37,979 --> 02:35:35,739
and you know manufactured for the

3676
02:35:39,240 --> 02:35:37,989
individual oh yeah well that's a scary

3677
02:35:42,420 --> 02:35:39,250
thing you know when you start getting

3678
02:35:44,880 --> 02:35:42,430
targeted as a person I mean it can be

3679
02:35:47,219 --> 02:35:44,890
technology could be helpful I mean uh

3680
02:35:49,349 --> 02:35:47,229
you know a big as you know Chris I'm a

3681
02:35:52,170 --> 02:35:49,359
big fan of punk music and I buy a lot of

3682
02:35:54,359 --> 02:35:52,180
sort of old obscure song CDs off Amazon

3683
02:35:55,950 --> 02:35:54,369
and Amazon's always sort of sending me

3684
02:35:57,870 --> 02:35:55,960
recommendations any will be for this

3685
02:35:59,609 --> 02:35:57,880
punk band and that punk band which which

3686
02:36:01,620 --> 02:35:59,619
is which I'm fine with you know there

3687
02:36:03,300 --> 02:36:01,630
might be stuff I haven't got but on the

3688
02:36:06,179 --> 02:36:03,310
other hand you can see how that

3689
02:36:08,820 --> 02:36:06,189
technology could be used to sort of real

3690
02:36:10,889 --> 02:36:08,830
someone in and and have them just

3691
02:36:12,990 --> 02:36:10,899
focused on you know but the whole

3692
02:36:15,269 --> 02:36:13,000
consumer reason angle of keeping their

3693
02:36:16,859 --> 02:36:15,279
mind of other things by by these by

3694
02:36:19,070 --> 02:36:16,869
these why don't you get this you need

3695
02:36:21,809 --> 02:36:19,080
that you know it can be turned into that

3696
02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:21,819
alternative sinister approach as well

3697
02:36:26,580 --> 02:36:24,130
yeah that happens of course with Google

3698
02:36:29,729 --> 02:36:26,590
we can go into a long technical argument

3699
02:36:31,349 --> 02:36:29,739
about Google and targeted ads and do you

3700
02:36:34,979 --> 02:36:31,359
think they make money from the Android

3701
02:36:37,439 --> 02:36:34,989
smartphone platform they make money not

3702
02:36:39,719 --> 02:36:37,449
from selling smart phones but from data

3703
02:36:41,910 --> 02:36:39,729
about you Nick we're just about half

3704
02:36:43,979 --> 02:36:41,920
time here you know as Chris said there's

3705
02:36:45,599 --> 02:36:43,989
I have a whole gende of stuff here I

3706
02:36:47,219 --> 02:36:45,609
noted as I was going through the book

3707
02:36:48,960 --> 02:36:47,229
I'm why I ask you about and of course we

3708
02:36:49,859 --> 02:36:48,970
never got there but I have an idea about

3709
02:36:51,599 --> 02:36:49,869
that in a moment

3710
02:36:53,340 --> 02:36:51,609
in the meantime Nick Redfern and tell

3711
02:36:55,970 --> 02:36:53,350
our listeners where they can find more

3712
02:36:57,740 --> 02:36:55,980
of the things you do

3713
02:37:02,030 --> 02:36:57,750
of whatever which people can find at

3714
02:37:03,291 --> 02:37:02,040
Redfern 14f Orta and Redfern fortune

3715
02:37:05,930 --> 02:37:03,301
blogspot.com

3716
02:37:08,301 --> 02:37:05,940
or just block me up at Facebook or

3717
02:37:10,461 --> 02:37:08,311
Twitter or on Amazon people can pretty

3718
02:37:12,740 --> 02:37:10,471
much find me everywhere I guess it's

3719
02:37:15,110 --> 02:37:12,750
kind of hard not to find you Nick secret

3720
02:37:17,961 --> 02:37:15,120
history conspiracies from ancient aliens

3721
02:37:20,841 --> 02:37:17,971
some new world order is available from

3722
02:37:22,371 --> 02:37:20,851
visible impress on Amazon and the usual

3723
02:37:24,110 --> 02:37:22,381
offenders you got another book on

3724
02:37:25,610 --> 02:37:24,120
Bigfoot coming out soon right actually

3725
02:37:26,810 --> 02:37:25,620
got three more books coming out this

3726
02:37:29,301 --> 02:37:26,820
year but there are all with different

3727
02:37:30,801 --> 02:37:29,311
companies and how it just purely

3728
02:37:32,570 --> 02:37:30,811
coincidence they're putting them all out

3729
02:37:34,131 --> 02:37:32,580
together that you weren't written

3730
02:37:36,320 --> 02:37:34,141
together you know I'm sort of typing

3731
02:37:37,820 --> 02:37:36,330
like a fiend or whatever it was someone

3732
02:37:40,100 --> 02:37:37,830
were held back but they put them out

3733
02:37:42,081 --> 02:37:40,110
together anyway the first one comes out

3734
02:37:43,761 --> 02:37:42,091
in August through new page books and

3735
02:37:45,501 --> 02:37:43,771
that's called bloodline of the Gods it's

3736
02:37:48,740 --> 02:37:45,511
sort of like an ancient astronauts book

3737
02:37:50,600 --> 02:37:48,750
the Bigfoot book and Chupacabra roadtrip

3738
02:37:51,890 --> 02:37:50,610
they'll all be out this year we have to

3739
02:37:53,331 --> 02:37:51,900
have them on the show every day I'll

3740
02:37:55,310 --> 02:37:53,341
tell you what we're gonna do folks as

3741
02:37:57,320 --> 02:37:55,320
you know we have a second radio show

3742
02:38:00,740 --> 02:37:57,330
part of the para cast Plus package

3743
02:38:03,890 --> 02:38:00,750
called after the para cast all right and

3744
02:38:06,440 --> 02:38:03,900
you get a copy if you sign up for the

3745
02:38:08,421 --> 02:38:06,450
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3746
02:38:11,480 --> 02:38:08,431
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3747
02:38:13,820 --> 02:38:11,490
after the power cast and what we've

3748
02:38:16,161 --> 02:38:13,830
asked Nick to do is join us for short

3749
02:38:17,810 --> 02:38:16,171
time join us to kind of catch up on a

3750
02:38:20,961 --> 02:38:17,820
few of the questions we couldn't ask

3751
02:38:23,930 --> 02:38:20,971
here on after the para cast so he'll be

3752
02:38:27,051 --> 02:38:23,940
our special guest on after the para cast

3753
02:38:28,701 --> 02:38:27,061
this week you can sign up at plus dr.

3754
02:38:30,411 --> 02:38:28,711
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3755
02:38:32,381 --> 02:38:30,421
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3756
02:38:34,520 --> 02:38:32,391
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3757
02:38:36,890 --> 02:38:34,530
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3758
02:38:38,751 --> 02:38:36,900
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3759
02:38:41,900 --> 02:38:38,761
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3760
02:38:43,671 --> 02:38:41,910
power cast comm Nick grant fern we'll

3761
02:38:54,040 --> 02:38:43,681
see you very shortly thank you for

3762
02:39:00,440 --> 02:38:57,559
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3763
02:39:03,460 --> 02:39:00,450
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3764
02:39:07,370 --> 02:39:03,470
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